666 was writen before zero existed ??? so wht does tht mean then?

Question

666 was writen before zero existed ??? so wht does tht mean then?

Answer 1

666 is the Mark of the Beast, or the devil. But youre right, zero was created by a man in India. 666 was created before the year 0. It doesnt mean anything.

Answer 2

The numbers are more symbolic that mathematical. I have seen a doco that gave the idea the number of the beast is a numerological. The "beast" was a Roman Caesar who was an enemy of Christians. His name added up to 666, and so that became the number.

If so, then the concept of Zero would have no bearing, unless numerology suddenly incorporated it.

Answer 3

it means were all going to die. AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Answer 4

Zero was a mathmatical invention of Indus River valley (india) and did not spread to Europe until much later in history. People just started counting at one.

Answer 5

Blah blah, listen to these people talk about adding the numbers up and all that c**p. Early texts of the bible show the number to be 616 and was later changed to 666, so there goes all the mathematics out the window. The book of revelation is "Apocalyptic literature" nothing to do with codes and rubbish like that, it's complicated writing yes, but it's not allegory

Answer 6

Actually, "666" is a mistranslation that's found its way into public consciousness and which the Church has been unwilling to acknowledge. Biblical scholars have reached an almost unanimous consensus that the original number given in Revelations was "616". The earliest discovered copies of the text from the 3rd century bear this out. It's only in later copies of the text (printing not being developed until much later, all copies were done by clerical hand) that "666" has been found. Somewhere along the line, the number was changed, deliberately or erroneously, and like a game of Telephone, all subsequent copies have been misstated. (One 11th century manuscript even lists "665".)

The meaning of "the Beast" referenced by the number is debated as well. Did it refer to Satan? The Anti-Christ(s)? A historical figure like Caligula or Nero? Church leaders? I won't even go into the mathematical or numerological mumbo jumbo.

Wikipedia maintains a page detailing these basic theories and others about "666". Footnotes lead to more scholarly references.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_t...

Regarding the relation of "666" (or any other Biblical number, for that matter, ie. 10 Commandments, or 12 disciples) to the lack of the number zero before the New Testament was written, it doesn't mean much. The number zero (0) was just created as a symbol for nothing; this doesn't mean that "nothing" didn't exist before the zero was created. Whether there was a symbol for "nothing" or not, people still understood what "nothing" meant. If they counted, for example, 666 items out, they still had 666 items. If the items were taken away, then they knew they had nothing.

By the way, another respondent mentions "year 0", which is incorrect. Historians skip it entirely and count directly from 1 BCE (BC) to 1 CE (AD).

Sometimes zero still doesn't exist. ;-)

Answer 7

One would assume God had the zero figured out before He sent the vision to the Apostle John.

Since your question assumes that the Bible vision is true (the answer would be nothing if it wasn't true), then I would assume that everything that is written in the Bible remains as is.

We are still well on our way to Armageddon.

Answer 8

I came across this and thought it was interesting.The number 666 has gotten something of a really bad rap -- which is, of course, the reason the number was chosen for the Homeland Insecurity web page (seems only fair inasmuch as if we're talking about an horrific beast, Homeland Security has all the necessary ingredients).

Meanwhile, the bad reputation of 666 apparently derives from the 13th chapter of Revelations (in the Bible's New Testament). It seems as if there was this vision to someone named John (his true identity being a matter of considerable controversy). The alleged vision was of: "a beast rising out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy." [Revelations 13:1] At the end of the same chapter, there is the reference to 666:

"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." [Revelations 13:18]

Mathematically, we can be reasonably certain that Six hundred (600), threescore (3 times a score, where a score is 20, i.e. 60), plus 6 [i.e. 600+60+6] equals 666.

Which is about as far as one can go with reasonable certainty. Obviously, it would be exceedingly unwise to depend upon the mis-understandings of priest, preachers, and other fanatical religious zealots as to their interpretation of Revelations 13 (or any other part of the Bible for that matter). The fact is clear that Revelations is not an easy code to crack -- even if Laurence Gardner has done a pretty fair job of understanding portions of it in his book, The Magdalene Legacy.

Meanwhile, the need to understand Revelations and in particular the number "Six hundred threescore and six" is an important undertaking for several reasons.

One is the Bible's 1 Kings 10:14:

"Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold."

The obvious fact of the exact same language being used to describe the number of the beast and the number of talents garnered by King Solomon in a single year is clearly important. If the number 666 is so fraught with evil, then why was it applied to Solomon? Maybe, just maybe, there is nothing inherently bad in 666.

There is also the aspect of the number itself, particularly in Sacred Mathematics.

For example, as pointed out elsewhere in Halexandria, Plato had come to believe strongly -- according to: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PlatosNumbe... -- in the importance of the numbers 216 and 12,960,000. While there is no indication in the Math world version as to why these two numbers were important to Plato, we might not be so circumspect here. We can, of course, note that both reduce to Nine.  (See Numerology for an explanation of reducing numbers.)

But more importantly, as one reader was quick to point out, 216 is 6 cubed, while 12,960,000 is 60 to the fourth power. This is all very Sumerian, in that 6 and 60 were part of their segesimal mathematics. What is probably not particularly Sumerian, however, is the curious fact that one could plausibly write: 216 = 6x6x6, or dropping the multiplier symbols (a common practice in mathematics and science), obtain 666.

[Meanwhile, as for 60606060... Perhaps it has something to do with an equilateral quad-angle in four dimensions with 60 degree angles are all corners. We're still working on this one.]

Then there is the fact that in Magic Squares, we noted that one particular 6 by 6 (6 rows and 6 columns) magic square added up to 111 on a side, row, or diagonal, or for a combined total of all the numbers from 1 to 36 of 666.

Furthermore, as noted by http://users.pandora.be/kenneshugo, if one multiplies pi times phi times 7 cubed, one obtains... Well, try it. Just multiply 3.14159265... times 0.618033987... times 7 times 7 times 7. You should obtain 665.9726... Inasmuch as the values we used for both pi and phi just now are not exact (truncated for lack of space or comprehension), we might, if we use the even more exact figures, very well reach the magical 666 (albeit, perhaps in another life).

[For the purist of course, one can use the values of pi and phi to twenty thousand decimal places (see, for examples, David Slatner's The Joy of Pi [Walker and Company, New York, 1997] and Gary Meisner's phi to 20,000 places http://goldennumber.net/phi20000.htm). To simplify the multiplication process, note that 7 times 7 times 7 ("777") equals 343 (to 20,000 decimal places).

The gist of all of this is that Sacred Geometry is replete with variations on a theme of obtaining the number 666 from all manner of diverse sources. In fact, there are really too many references to 666 for one not to consider that perhaps there is something really interesting or even good about the number 666. [There is also a slight sense of urgency in that this essay is being written on 6/6/2005, and next year it will be 6/6/6!]

The key in our quest is very likely to be taking another look at Revelations 13.

On the one hand, any "beast" which speaks blasphemy against the church is probably a very good thing -- the kind of animal that one might call "man's best friend". The Catholic Church's record, for example, of lies, deceit, misinformation, and all manner of other atrocities is so well documented that anything which spoke out against the church's centuries of dishonesty (i.e. blasphemy) would be something of a welcome relief.

There is, of course, the matter of the beast having seven heads, but as modern parlance goes, wearing seven hats is nothing more sinister than being an "A personality" or workaholic. Ten horns is also potentially a good thing in that horns have traditionally been a connecting link between the bearer and the universal source, and ten (or nine more than one) sounds even better.

In verse 2, there is the combination of the beast being a leopard, bear, and lion, with access to a dragon's power. OK, so we're talking about something which might be construed as a 'heavy dude'. And note in verse 3 this entity's ability to heal itself. Wow! Wouldn't healing be construed as a good thing?

As far as verse 4, note that it ends with: "..who is able to make war with him?" Talk about the answer to Pax Romana! We now have Pax ala Beastie.

Perhaps my favorite is verse 5. "And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months." [Revelations 13:5] "Forty and two months?" 42? You mean Douglas Adams was right? The answer to Life, the Universe and Everything is 42? Wow!

We could go on, but inasmuch as Halexandria's blasphemy insurance policy is already pretty well maxed out... we will instead leave it to the reader to read Revelations 13 themselves, complete with an open mind and an eye for alternative interpretations. Just keep in mind two things:

1) Verse 11 speaks of another beast with only two horns -- which might be more likely the candidate for man as the beast.

2) Verse 9 says: "If any man have an ear, let him hear." It might also be written, "If any man or woman have an eye, let them read". Or better yet: "have a brain, let them think."

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