A Question For Conservatives?

Question

I know that about half of you beleive the world is 6,000 years old and that humanity started when God's rib turned into a virgin that got tricked by a talking snake.

For the other half of you, you don't fall for all the christian hocus-pocus, all you care about is low taxes and blowing up people that mess with us.

My question is for the 2nd group...

...in a perfect world, do you wish you didn't have to appease the low IQ's of the first group, in order to achieve power?

I guess what I mean is, conservative secularism is a fairly coherent philosophy, whereas Christianity is of course the latest in a a line of absurd human mythologies Zues, Thor, and Gilgamesh, that tell ful grown adults tales and stories less beleivable than Santa Claus and of course, most people don't stop to think "holy c**p...i'm a critically thinking adult human being that beleives in talking snakes and men trapped in whale's, and i think flying cherubs will descend from clouds with magical instruments". Instead, most people beleive that stuff, and then turn around and have the nerve to think hippies, for example, are "wacky"?

I've always thought the most infuriating position to be in, would be a secular conservative...some poor guy that just wants government to leave him and his money alone and blow up any threatening foreigners, yet in order to get that, he has to bite his tongue and campaign side by side with old bloated men who beleive in horned demons and magical invisible kingdoms where an invisible ruler they talk to tells them about life.

Is there anyone out there that fits that description? In other words, conservative, but too logical too fall for its religous mythology?

Answer 1

Well I am at least glad you attempted to distinguish between ideological Christians that claim to be Conservatives and actual fiscal Conservatives (blowing up people, really?).

I know Liberals like to pin us as old, rich, white, out of shape, zealous Christian men, but that's not the case for most of real fiscal Conservatives.  I myself am 21 (that's still young right? :D ), Mexican, work as a bellman in a hotel, in my senior year of college, and of Jewish descent.  Do I fit your mold?

Listen, here's what it gets down to.  Taxes are fine.  Roads, bridges, schools, and the military all get their funding from taxes (for the most part, there are government bonds and this and that but lets not stray).  Assuming government to be a necessary evil (Thomas Paine, Common Sense) then taxes would thus forth also be necessary for the maintenance of a government.  We don't have a problem with that.

The thing is sometimes the taxes get out of hand.  Right now we have a huge bureaucracy of government programs that we pour money into yet fail to see results.  Because our system is a top-down system, miscalculated amounts of money are disseminated down through the system which creates both over-funded and under-funded projects.

Also, I wouldn't mind paying taxes so much if I knew exactly what my money was going towards.  Roads? Great! As long they are in my community.  Schools? As long as it is the school my children go to.  Not to sound like a stinge, but it's not my obligation to look out for other peoples' roads and children.

Liberals seem to support the welfare system and other social programs, and that is fine. If they want to pay into those programs and help others, I applaud them, but why should I be forced to give up my money?  When you consider the American Colonists' "No taxation without representation" and the fact that they had an uproar over taxation on tea, and stamps, I find it incredible that we tolerate half of the taxes we have today.

Answer 2

Would you like to go to church with me sometime?

Answer 3

Why do you care what other's believe?  Is this important?  

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Answer 4

I think I fall into this category, although I support the traditional Republican standpoint of a humble foreign policy with no nation building, unlike the neocons who support a interventionist foreign policy. While at the Republican Party of Texas convention earlier this year I pretty much stood out as an outsider because I was one of the few people of color there I could count on one hand out of over 4000 people. I am over 6 ft tall, an indian american, an agnostic and stuck out like a sore thumb. Over 10 people tried to convert me including the only other indian there who converted from hinduism to christianity. I think the Republican Party of Texas is a Christian Party first and a if your conservative they will tolerate you. I could also go into detail about the blatantly racist planks they passed in the platform, like allowing only Judeo Christian student groups access to school facilities for their groups. Or how the elected a black Asst Chairman just so he can "address issues in a way that can't" refering vaguely to Obama. After  seeing first hand of who really controls the Republican party and how they feel about people of other backgrounds I will probably vote for Bob Barr and join the libertarian party. Of course this is just the Republican Party of Texas, I cannot speak of other states.

Answer 5

Gee...you try to sound rational and fail completely.  I can tell that you don't give a thought to how many people you insult as long as you can give your "clever" version of the bible.  It doesn't really matter to you that it's entirely wrong.  I feel sorry for anyone who has to campaign with you and your smug superiority complex.

Try reading the bible, instead of mocking it, and you might see what millions of people find worthwhile.

Answer 6

I am a secular conservative but I do not feel bogged down or threatened by religious nuts because I will vote Ron Paul.