Abortion? Pro Choice? Murderers?

Question

What if there was a 13 year old girl who was raped by her uncle and became pregnant with their child. What if that girl decided to have an abortion. Does that make her a "s**t" and a "murderer"? Is she going to h**l? Should she be ashamed of herself or has she done the right thing? Remember the consequences of incest and teen pregnancy. What do you think?

Answer 1

UM... is this u? If it is then tell someone what your uncle did. If it isnt you then put the baby up for adoption. no babies like abortion... let it live. this also does not make her or whoever it was a s**t or a bad person because this is not wat was intended to happen in the first place.

Answer 2

she has to decide because she is the one that has to deal with it all.

Answer 3

All you prolife people just a few questions

1.  How many children have you adopted?

2.  How much money have you donated to orphanages/foster cares?

3.  How many children are you fostering right now?

Those of you saying none to all three of those questions, well then keep your mouth shut and stop judging.  Until you've "been there and done that" then what right do you ahve to judge?

Besides if abortion were made illegal, you all would be bitching about the women/baby death rate rising.  Women would be performing self abortions killing themselves as well as the baby, going to untrained people, throwing the baby in the trash once its born, severely neglect the baby etc....  And for the record all your prolife people saying "If it's rape then it is okay, but if it wasnt then it's murder" well you cant call something murder and then have exceptions.  And if God forbid you ever  have a stillbirth, then I hope you prolife people plan to carry that baby to full term and deliver that baby naturally.  Just saying....

Answer 4

I think it's her body her choice and that that uncle better be in jail!!...

Answer 5

she wouldn't be a s**t because it wasn't her fault that she was raped. she would however be a murderer. it's not the baby's fault, so don't just kill it. i would suggest giving the baby away... don't be ashamed of yourself (if this girl is you). but you will feel even worse if you kill that baby. the incest is not your fault, so don't worry about that, as for the teen pregnancy, that's not your fault either. if people ask questions just say you were raped. good luck

Answer 6

i think in that situation a child of that age can not handle a child nor a child of that close relation shall have birth defects. if the child makes the decision to have an abortion i would full heartedly support that decision.

Answer 7

I think she should have an abortion, and the uncle should be in prison for the rest of his miserable life.

1) A 13 year old isn't physically ready to give birth (pregnancy yes, birth no)

2) Homes for adopted kids are filling up rapidly, and are already crowded as it is

3) As long as she doesn't use abortion as birth control it is fine

4) She's not a s**t

5) She's not going to h**l

6) She's not a murderer

7) Women's rights anyone? What have women been fighting for? To get our RIGHTS taken away? Did you know that 70% of pro-lifers are MEN? MEN that CAN'T EVEN GET PREGNANT

8) Mental retardation and other issues NEED to be taken into account with this. This is incest. Don't try to challenge it.

Answer 8

I'm againsted abortion if there was a girl who had unprotected s*x knowing she could get pregnant then she got an abortion.

But in this situation I'm pro-choice. It wasn't her fault she got pregnant. She's too young to care for a child and she even too young to give birth-it could actually kill her.

Answer 9

thats bull c**p...Abortion is STUPID!

A babys heartbeat starts at about 4 weeks (1 month) in pregnancy. So technecally ppl...that is murder! Its a living thing inside of you. Just cuz its in a womb doesnt mean is not real or living or wtf ever. Its stupid. At least keep the baby and give it a life. They suck the brains out of them babys and stuff. Its ******* stupid! Think about it...Your killing a living thing, that is just in a stomach. Wack *** ppl. Get real. The fetus would have like mental retardation, or be like kinda wierd or have like 6 fingers 2 feet together. you no wat i mean. but still have it and give it away.Its doesnt make her a s**t but murder YES if she does it i hope she goes to h**l cuz thats juss horiible.

Answer 10

Oh honey I hope this is a hypethetical question and you are not asking this about yourself or a friend.  I am a Catholic and we obviously do not believe in abortion at all.  To most Catholics, abortion is considered murder and it would not be acceptable in any situation.  However, in this peticular situation I would have to say it is up to the girl and her family.  I am absolutely pro-life, but I don't think I could judge someone who had an abortion in this situation.  This girl is in NO way a s**t and should NOT be ashamed of herself.  She is an innocent victim of a sick man who belongs behind bars!  I would highly encourage the girl to tell the whole situation to her family and then to the authorities.  I know this would be a difficult thing to do-but adoption is always an option too!  But this girl and her family need to make the right decision for her.  This girl could always talk to a priest too, if that would help her at all!  Good luck and God bless this girl!

Answer 11

I don't think that is murder ...if a girl is raped and she keeps the child she will look at that child and be reminded of what happend and even if you decide to give your child up for adoption you'll have to live with the incident for the rest of your life rather than letting yourself deal with it and try to move on.

If two people are married and are able to support and love a child then i think adortion is selfish but otherwise I think it's your choice. A baby is a huge deal in someones life ...

Also, if you are raped you are defiantly not a s**t :( i hope you didn't have to go through all this and I really hope you don't think you are a s**t. I was raped when I was 19 and I was a virgin and i kept quiet and struggled with it for years but once i started talking about it i became a stronger person and decided to be a mentor for young girls at risk because i could relate to them. You need to tell someone because you shouldn't go through it alone otherwise it will ruin you for the rest of your life and your future relationships and you don't deserve that and you shouldn't give that man justice ..that's what he is getting if you let it ruin you!!

Hope you are okay :( stay strong!!

Answer 12

Abortion would be ok for this because she's 13 and carrying a baby might hurt her,and the baby would probally be ill because it was by her uncle

Answer 13

If someone has an abortion I would not judge them because I'm not in their shoes so I have no judgement to make.  If what you're asking is, are there valid reasons for having an abortion, yes, I believe there are.  I am pro-life except in those cases.  In those cases I am pro mercy and compassion.  But I'm also aware that less than 5% of abortions are actually rape/incest cases.

Some opposing arguments to yours might be that medical breakthroughs have been found in a case of MS prevention by a child born out of incest - and that Elvis Presley was the result of a rape pregnancy.  So there's always two sides to every situation and good can come out of the cruelest situations.  So to me it's not the right or wrong thing that matters in the situation you described, it's what the girl thinks she should do - and whatever that is, is right for her.

Answer 14

I was pregnant at 13 due to rape and i stuck it out because i knew it was wrong.  i didn't agree to s*x but it happened and i had the baby and i kept it but she could put it up  for adoption because abortion is just taking it out on the baby what did the baby do?

Answer 15

I have thought about this quite a bit over the years. The wide spread of opinions is incredible, matched only by the passion of the activists on all sides. This is an issue that few people are even able to have a civilized discussion about. Complicating it further is that there are few that hold a black-and-white view of the issue. The majority of people in the US see abortion as a giant grey area with varying degrees of abortion considered acceptable. Very few people hold the position of unlimited abortion access or no abortion under any circumstances. Below is the process I went through to come up with my position on the matter.

First, I asked myself the question at what point does a human being obtain "personhood" and as such gain all the legal and moral protections that status entitles them to? There are some who say that the point of personhood is 28 days AFTER birth, at which point you still should be allowed to abort. In fact, there is a professor of ethics at Princeton University that actively advocates this position. This is the position that spurred “Born Alive” legislation that says if a woman has an abortion and the baby survives, that doctors cannot withhold care and let the baby die on the operating table. Others say up to the point of birth. These folks, such as Barak Obama, would hold that this type of infanticide as well as partial birth abortion is a reasonable procedure. Or perhaps just before while the mother is in labor. Or 6 months of gestation or 3 months or three weeks. I wrestled with this for a long time.

Then I looked at the issue a different way. Does human life have an imputed value or an intrinsic one? If we say that it is imputed, meaning the value is derived from something else, some outside criteria, then any one of the above positions would be equally valid. We as a society would decide what criteria to select. My problem with this is what criteria do you use? On what basis is a baby at 6 weeks more valuable than a baby at 5 weeks? Is a baby that has not yet developed a heart still a baby? This hit really hard on my wife and I when we lost one of our children. Lynne had a miscarriage a few years ago. When people with strong pro-choice sentiments gave us their condolences, they referred to the fetus as a child, even though she (we named her Grace, even though we do not know for sure if she was a she or a he. It made it easier to explain to the children what happened and easier for Lynne and I to grieve our loss) was at the same gestational point, 9 weeks, that they believed abortion was merely removing some unwanted tissue of the mother. So, the criteria used is whether or not a child is wanted. If that is so, then why? The characteristics of an object of any sort are not contingent on another persons belief for perception.

By similar logic, if the value of human life is imputed, it can also be taken away, depending on what some person or group of persons believe that life is worth. So if you happen to be mentally retarded or black or Jewish, it would be perfectly reasonable for you to be killed off for the good of the community if they believe it. I have a friend who is paralyzed from the neck down and constantly in pain. There are some in the world who would look at her and say that she has no quality of life or that the money and effort to support her would be better used on others. They would have her die due to her handicap. But knowing her the way I do I find the notion that she is without a quality of life to be ridiculous on its face. She is a writer, a painter, a social worker, and heads up an international charity. I’d call that a pretty good quality of life. So would her husband who married her years after her accident put her in the wheelchair. Thus, the imputed value logic is shown to me to be completely arbitrary. Following any of the “prior to this point it is not human but at this one on it is” positions is likewise arbitrary and does not answer the question of personhood.

But consider the proposition that human life has an intrinsic value. That it is valuable simply because it is human life and no other reason. No measure or quantification of the value of it, it is and that is enough. It is sort of like gold. Gold is valuable because it is gold, not because we as a society stood up one day and said, “we are going to make gold valuable”. Gold has an intrinsic value as opposed to an imputed value, such as paper currency. Paper currency is worthless in and of itself. It has value only because we say it has a certain value.

This position then would support a clear line between human life and not human life. With this position, you are a human at the point that you have a unique genetic code. In other words, at conception. Prior to that, there was no “you”. The male and female reproductive components in and of themselves are not a unique genetic code, but merely parts of the donors. It is only when they combine to create new life do “you” begin to be a person.

The notion of intrinsic value also carries forward throughout life. My mother-in-law was on dialysis for several months before diabetes finally took her life. There are many who would have said that she should just die and not burden the rest of us. If those persons held the position that human life has imputed value, I can understand. I however, believe that human life is intrinsically valuable and worth preserving and protecting for as long as possible. Thus, we should protect life at the beginning and at the end and at all points in between. That is why we continued to get her to dialysis until the day she finally passed away.

So, we come full circle back to the question of abortion. Should it be outlawed? My answer, since I believe in the intrinsic value of human life, is that for the most part it should. Why only “for the most part”? Because there are times when you have to weigh the life of two humans and pick one to live and one to die. My sister-in-law faced such a problem once. She got pregnant from her husband and it turned out to be a tubal pregnancy. Had the child been allowed to grow inside of her, it would have killed her before the baby would have been able to survive on its own. Thus, in weighing these two lives, one would have to conclude that the baby would have to die in order to save the mother’s life. What about cases of rape or incest? I have 5 daughters (yes, that was no typo) and the thought of one of them being raped is always lurking in the back of my mind. Statistically speaking, at least one of them will be before they graduate from college. If one of them should get pregnant as a result, the hard decision would be to let that child live. Pregnancy is not the extremely dangerous event of the past. Rarely do people die from giving birth. Many more die as a result of complications after an abortion. But the bottom line is that the child is innocent of any crime, so why punish it? It is a human being of intrinsic value. I’m not saying it is an easy choice and I can certainly sympathize with those who have had to make it. Perhaps they even made the wrong choice. But, God is a loving and forgiving God, who can even forgive the taking of a human life. Which is what abortion is.

Answer 16

The baby is a baby and killing it is murder.  The chances of becoming pregnant through rape is slim because not only are you only fertile for a short period of time in the month, but because there are hormones that kill the sperm when you are frightened.  Therefore if you become pregnant, it is meant to be.

Realize this...everyone has something wrong with them, or will develop something wrong.  It might be something that you see, it might be a mental deformity.  NO ONE is perfect.  That means that everyone should have been aborted.  There isn't a 100% guarantee that something will be wrong with the baby.

As far as medically, God designed our bodies to give birth from the time we get our periods until the time of menopause.  Not that I condone teen pregnancies, but our bodies are set up to do this.  Years ago women were married and having children at that age without a problem.

As far as being a s**t, absolutely not.  No one that was taken against their will is a s**t by any means.

The uncle...well, I think he should be cut off where he stands so he can never do that again.

Answer 17

I beleive that is a total acceptable sittuation. If the girl feels bad for getting an abortion though, maybe she should try an assigned adoption.

Answer 18

Two wrongs don't make a right.

She's not a "s**t"... but her hands aren't completely clean in the "murderer" department.  She made the decision to end a life.

I would never wish this situation upon anyone, and it's a tough decision to make.  This is one of those extreme situations & decisions are a lot heavier.

Answer 19

She should have the child and put it up for adoption. It's not the baby's fault, don't punish the baby.

Answer 20

no matter what the situation is i say have the baby and immediatly put it up for adoption. give the baby a chance to live

Answer 21

Abortion is never okay. You're killing your baby, you know that right? But to answer the question I say that it's best to give the baby up for adoption. If the hypothetical person can't deal with raising the child herself give the baby up for adoption. Abortion is murdering. Thank you for listening to my point of view.

Answer 22

She did the right thing her uncle did the wrong thing.

Why does that not make her a s**t? generally a s**t is one who is considered to be loose sexually, but it's really just a term used by people uncomfortable with women being as free sexually as men are.

Why is she not a murderer? because abortion is not murder because a fetus is not life, its potential life, just like cake mix is a potential cake.

Ashamed? Her uncle should be.

Answer 23

She is doing the right thing and her uncle will go to h**l because of what he  did he will be buried 6ft under because of that **** it is pathetic the way ppl are that just goes to show you that you cant trust NO ONE

Answer 24

Uncle - prison.  Baby - adoption

Answer 25

I'd say if she was raped, abortion would be okay. I think it's stupid and selfish of young teenagers having aboritions after having s*x with their boyfriends, just because they don't want to have to go through pregnancy. They made the mistake, they should deal with the consequences. Abortion IS like murder. The thing that you are "killing" would be able to breathe, eat, and sleep just like you all in a matter of nine months. They do turn into actual humans, therefore abortions are WRONG for situations in which teenagers just have s*x, compared to rape cases.

Answer 26

no i dont think wat she did is wrong, she did it for the right reasons and she wont go to h**l she might feel i little bad here and there but its normal when people make those choices

Answer 27

She's not a s**t. And being pregnant at a young age doesn't automatically make a girl a s**t because a s**t is someone who sleeps with more than one person. I wouldn't say she's a murderer either. I don't really believe in abortion but that doesn't mean other people shouldn't believe in it too, everyone has different opinions.

Answer 28

it makes her a murderer.not a s**t if she was raped-not at all.she wont go to h**l for killing someone.dishonoring ur parents is more important than killing some1(on a scale of 1-10 based on the 10 comandments.....i think.....im only 14).she didn't do the right thing.she should have the baby becuz its not her fault she's pregnant so why should she be ashamed of having it.if i got raped by an uncle(lol-my uncle's...never...ok serious matter)i would keep the baby.idk what incest is but i plan to not give my virginity away in high school cuz there's not as many high school sweethearts as people who married afterhigh school.and i dont wanna waste it  on sum @$$ wipe

Answer 29

abortion is NOT murder...there is no living person to kill. the fetus is a parasitic organism while inside the mother

people say adoption but they have no idea how many thousands of unwanted kids there are out there andwill never get a good home. dont think that pregnancy wont f*ck up a 13 yr old girl because it will...forever

also adoption is a way to dump your mistake on someone and be guilt free, when abortion is being responsible and taking care of the issue before anyone else gets hurt or messed up emotionally more

Answer 30

To the people saying "Adoption!"

Most thirteen year olds will have a VERY hard time birthing a baby. And the stress of being pregnant as well.

For a thirteen year old I would actually recommend an abortion, unless she was more developed, say, like a 14-16 year old. Then I would encourage her to go for adoption.

I am 100% pro choice. And if she thinks that she could birth the baby, then she should do it.

But if she isn't emotionally ready, then she should have an abortion. It's not fair to her.

If she was already raped, why should she be forced to suffer a pregnancy? She's only a child.

Answer 31

The only thing I have a problem with is people who use the excuse "It's my body" to have abortions.  They need to realize that it is not "their body", but it is the body of another person that they are making decisions for.  That just doesn't seem very fair to me.  I'm not going to get into the raped 13 year old stuff, because that is complicated and to he honest, I don't know about those situations.  But I do know that people who use abortion as birth control should be stopped.