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Acceptable to be self-absorbed over female reproductive rights?

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Elf you misunderstand me. I'm not saying ANY woman who talks about her reproductive rights is self-absorbed. That is a grossly unfair generalisation so I would never assert that. What I am saying is those who are self-absorbed and not merely self-interested seem to be seen as holding a legitimate moral position by effectively denying that men too may have some rights. Self-absorbed literally mean that you couldn't care less about anything or anyone else.

So if you do think men have some rights and that these specific women are totally at odds with your views then we have no argument :)

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  1. Hm, like here you mean?

    http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/ind...

    It doesn't look like the asker of that question is being 'shouted down' to me. In fact it looks as though most of the people with female avatars have gone to the other extreme and are denouncing the (supposed) actions of that woman very strongly. It would appear that you are reading questions quite selectively.

    Anyway it is quite natural for women to be a little concerned over their reproductive rights when it is they who may be forced to have a child, risking their health permanently in the process.


  2. The most sexist sexists, are feminists.

    Today's American woman is always shouting. It doesn't matter the issue. They are always shouting.

    Feminism is the cause.

  3. I really think this topic has become an exercise in futility.  

    If I argue bodily integrity, I am being self-absorbed despite the fact that until quite recently, in evolutionary terms, women often died during childbirth.  

    If I argue for consideration of mens "rights" then I shift the responsibility  of  a life or death decision away from the person at risk. This is clearly unacceptable.

    In either argument, women "lose."

    I'd rather be labeled self-absorbed than dead.

    I submit to you  that women are NOT acting self-absorbed, they are merely acting in proportion to their biological investment with respect to reproduction.   If men' s very lives were at risk in the reproduction process, they would probably spend more time considering possible outcomes before engaging in s*x. And if their lives were at risk, they would be entitled to greater rights for their protection.

    I will repeat my mantra:  

    Men have a set of reproductive choices.

    Women have a set of reproductive choices.

    The sets are not the same, but neither are men and women.

  4. Her body, her choice

  5. It's basic biology, really.  A woman has a right to choose what she wants to do with her own body.  Unfortunately, because women are the ones to get pregnant, she is the sole owner of her body.  

    The equivalent argument would be if I asked why, if a woman wants children and the man doesn't, why can't the woman force the man to give her his sperm regardless of what he wants?  Because you are the owner of your sperm and it is unfair to require a man to give up rights to his body just because someone else wants to become a parent.

  6. I think if more funding was put into a viable and safe male birth control pill(you know the 50% short fall in goverment spending when it comes to gender initives) and add father by choice law's along with making parental alienation and interfering with visitation a felony(and tie child support to how close or far away the custodial parent moves from the non custodial parent) would solve many problems and end the whole abortion, child support/custody debates.

          

          But that would require women giving up there extra ultra rights and accepting equality instead of superiority.

    I suspect most of the fairer more intelligent female citizens would embrace equality(or I would atleast hope so) but I doubt female supermisists(feminists) would accept equal rights and oppurtunities.

  7. But see, when it comes to merely the pregnancy itself, men DON'T have any rights, and they never should, since it is the woman's body on the line.  A man should not be able to force a woman to have his baby if she doesn't want to.  That would be like rape.  Besides, while it's inside the mother's womb, it's not even really a baby yet.

    Once the baby has been born, however, men can have rights to the child, just as women can.

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