Adoption and Abortion?

Question

Why do people here keep banging on about abortion v adoption like they have ANYTHING to do with each other?

And why try to make adoptees feel they should be grateful not to have been aborted when NOTHING of what happened to us was in our control anyway?

Answer 1

I think you answered it best in a previous answer you provided in Y!A where you said that abortion is an option for an unwanted pregnancy.  Adoption is an option for someone who chooses not to parent.  I may not have your words exactly, but the idea/concept is there.

Answer 2

Abortion and adoption go hand in hand if you were in foster care.

A common known fact is if you were in foster care and you have a child that child is taken right out of the hospital.

Every day I get at least one email telling me how they feel like a prisoner and since we know the fate that foster care holds... when they get pregnant or their girlfriends get pregnant they get it aborted to save them the pain.. of losing their child and having their child go threw the same thing they did at the hands of foster care thieves and abusers. Then their child gets taken and before you know it we have 10th generation foster care BREED children for sale, but instead don't get adopted and end up on the streets then jail..

red&sass, If your not a victim of the system and not one of it's owned properties, then yes for you it would be separate.

But for many generational foster kids abortion is the only way to stop them feeding on our bloodlines for 10+ generations and for the natives who are at 14th and 15 generational foster children. Foster care is where they store their babies for sale.

But I guess for the rest of you... you will never know and I hope to god you never have to find out.. but it would be nice if the rest of us didn't have to be victims cause you want children.

Answer 3

I am thankful, I think of my bmom and how much she loved me, I think that is the most selfless gift. To know u cant provide a home for your baby and allow a couple who have wanted a baby for many years to do this. Both ,UNCONDITIONAL LOVE

Answer 4

What is better than to give an innocent child a chance at life, who would otherwise have been aborted?  

I would love to adopt a baby.  I would never expect him or her to be grateful for life, but if the alternative was abortion, don't you think that gratitude for life would naturally happen?

Answer 5

I wish they were separate.  They should be.  But reality is different.  Most people do not think of their options sequentially:  Step 1: chose to carry to term, Step 2: chose to parent.  Instead, they consider the sweep of issues: “I have three options: parent, abort, relinquish.”

The Guttmacher study that LaurieDB dug up provides evidence of this.  It said,  

“The estimated effect of abortion legalization on adoption rates is sizable and can account for much of the decline in adoptions during the early 1970s. In our sample, the number of adoptions of children born to white women was 42% lower in 1975 than in 1970.†‡ Our estimates in Table 4 indicate that these adoptions fell by 34-37% in states that repealed abortion laws; a similar decline may have occurred in other states after Roe v. Wade, but this effect is imprecisely estimated and not statistically different from zero.†§ Abortion legalization therefore appears to account for much of the decline in adoptions of children born to white women between 1970 and 1975.”

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/...

If abortion was abolished, I would suspect the number of adopted children to go up.  However, I would also expect the number of children kept by their parents to increase by a far greater percentage.

Answer 6

you've got a very good point

Answer 7

I don't know Heather, the bozone in here is thick as of late.

One thing I do know for sure is, my mother would NEVER have aborted me, so I have nothing to be "grateful" for.  I was very much loved and wanted, and never in a million YEARS would abortion have even been considered (or, that proverbial dumpster, as a matter of fact).

Answer 8

I am SICK of this question!  It's pretty simple why they're related.  

People have a problem getting knocked up when they don't want a child.  At that point they can either murder the baby or give it to someone else.

If your mom didn't want you (I didn't say didn't love you, I mean didn't want you to raise at that point in her life) then she had two choices, she could have killed you or birthed you and given you up for adoption.  Compared to children who were planned - you did have a real shot at being murdered, so you SHOULD be happy your mother didn't kill you.  No one is saying you had responsibility for this..  then again, if you get shot in a drive by shooting, you didn't choose it either.  However, people still say you should be glad if you only get a flesh wound instead of dying!

Answer 9

If it wasnt for the bio not being able to keep her legs shut, then we wouldnt be here would we? So yeah we have to be greatfull to some extent.

You could say the same about bio kids 2. It doesnt make a difference if your adopted.

Abortion Does get touched upon by the bio before the adoption.

Abortion could have been a choice made by the birth mother before deciding to adopt out.

My FRIEND KIZZY nailed it but looks like you took her off.

Not all bios think about abortion, but I bet alot of them do.

So yeah, abortion is connected in someway to adoption .

Answer 10

according to these answers , I know that I am in the minority here- but I can tell you from personal experience that both are related.  I have counseled girls/woman that are pregnant- who are not sure what to do.

First of all- abortion and adoption are related in that it involves the same person- the baby- and also the mother.  You have 3 choices when you are pregnant= to parent, to adopt or to abort. SO in that they are all related too-  No one MADE me feel grateful that I was adopted instead of aborted- that is my own choice -I am grateful-  You are right you and I had no control over being adopted or being aborted- but that does not make them not related.  

Those embryos others talk about- have life from the moment of conception- heart beats at 3 weeks after conception- so yes, there is life in the womb and out of the womb- just different sizes of course-

Abortion and adoption relate to what is going to happen to that child-if the pregnant woman is going to parent their child then abortion and adoption would not be an issue- however if they cannot raise a child, for whatever reason then abortion and adoption becomes an option- sorry to tell you this- go ahead and give me thumbs down. It does not bother me in the least

Answer 11

After reading a lot on adoption of an infant, I think that all abortion activists need to adopt a child ... because of the childs search for its mothers voice, heartbeat and familiarity that child has to grieve and if this is not handled correctly that child will grow up to have a lot of issues and then be labeled "special needs" ... I am not against abortion but I do feel as if at times people need to be smarter ... I'm for education .. educate all those who want to have children before they get pregnant or have s*x ... what we have in place now is horrible and its always the child who suffers ...because you are right ... you have no control over what happens to you ... but you do have control over how you handle it.

Answer 12

MY POINT EXACTLY!!!!

i am tired of trying to defend myself for the actions of my birth family or my adoptive family. i had no say in this. i had the decisions made for me.

im very happy for the choices they made, as i have stated hundreds of times before.

i will not take responsibility for their actions. good or bad. i have no reason to.

as for the whole adopt/abort thing, i dont get it either. i guess people see them as similar options. they are just that, options. they have nothing to do with one another.

Answer 13

Well, in regard to your first argument, about adoption vs. abortion. Most people know that if a person doesn't want a baby, they'll either get an abortion, or, if they are completely against abortion, they'll put it up for foster care. That's what I've come to conclude anyway...after reading a bunch of answers to abortion questions ( some with not so nice comments, ahah )

And, to your second question; I agree with you. How is it the fault of the adoptee if they got put up for adoption?! It's the fault of the PARENT, not the kid. Parents need to learn to get some responsibility and grow up, if they're going to go around having s*x without worrying about the potential human life that they may be ruining. It's horrible to even think that kids would be faced with the explanation: "Well, at least you weren't aborted". What kind of mindset is that for a child to base their origins on?

Answer 14

Why do people here keep banging on about abortion v adoption like they have ANYTHING to do with each other?

-because it's a weak association, devoid of logical thought that is emotionally charged.

And why try to make adoptees feel they should be grateful not to have been aborted when NOTHING of what happened to us was in our control anyway?

-because it's a weak association, devoid of logical thought that is emotionally charged.

Answer 15

Adoption and abortion are two seperate issues.

Do we call an acorn a tree? Do we call a seed a flower? It's Propaganda put out by people who have agendas.

I haven't told my son, "Hey, be glad you weren't aborted". Nor would I want someone to tell my daughter, who I relinquished, the same thing. It's beyond stupid.

I'm glad it's been brought up, because I know I've heard that used repeatedly, but only to adoptee's.

Answer 16

I have no idea. Some people on here have very strict views on reproductive rights and feel it is their duty to make everyone believe the same thing, and if we don't feel the same way, they try to make us feel bad.

I've noticed a few times when I've given advice on adoption (I support it) I get tons of thumbs downs. If I was talking about abortion, which I sometimes do, I can understand it, but adoption?

Answer 17

Regarding the first question, it's sheer propoganda.  Some people have convinced themselves that an embryo is morally the same thing is an infant.  Is it any wonder that they literally can't discern the difference between the two, and therefore compare abortion of one with adoption of the other?

As for being grateful, some people seem to believe that the only women who have abortions are poor single mothers who might therefore consider relinquishment if they carried to term.  It's simply not true.  Many married women choose to terminate pregnancies because they don't want or feel they can't care for another child.  Every live person has the same obligation to be "grateful for not being aborted" that adoptees do--which is to say, none at all.  Once we're here, don't we all really take having been born for granted?  And why shouldn't we?

Answer 18

I agree with Greg!