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Why dont we use hydrogen. I know that it costs energy to get they hydrogen, but then shouldnt we us solar energy to get the hydrogen?

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  1. Why use hydrogen when we can just use plain old water?


  2. let me start off by saying Hydrogen is a great option for the concept of free energy.     I built my first hydrogen cell about 5 years ago. Have converted over 50 vehicles in the last 10 years (gydrogen and EV) and now currently run 2 trucks (and another EV), my home hot water heater, home stove and home generator on hydrogen for free with caught rain water and the help of a $10 solar panel.  I offer a step by step DIY guide to walk anyone interested threw the process. You can find it at www agua-luna com or you can email me.

    There are basically 3 safe ways to make and use it... chemically, electrically and molecularly, the first 2 being easier so I'll only discuss them here. The fallowing steps were taking directly out of a DIY guide I offer to those who would like to run their vehicles or home on hydrogen safely. The entire guide is available at www agua-luna com

        On demand h2 generators are a bit different from the Hollywood versions like seen Chain Reaction with Keanu Reeves, that tend to explode violently every time a film is being made. However when used in an on-demand system there is no storage of hydrogen and oxygen in its gas form, only liquid (water) and is only transformed into gas “on-demand” in small cylinder size amounts. It’s actually safer then gasoline as it doesn’t evaporate, creating explosive fumes in the tank like gas. the following were actually taken out of my $5 guide available at www agua-luna com

        Chemically

        1. You’ll need a 6inch x 1ft schedule 40 pvc pipe. With pvc cement glue a cap on the bottom and use a s***w on cap for the top. Drill a small hole (1/4inch or so) in the side close to the top, s******g in a small copper shut off valve. Place a few feet of stranded (food grade is good) flex hose to the valve and into the air intake of your engine (carburetor or fuel injections).

        2. Now crunch up a couple aluminum cans (beer cans, soda cans etc) and drop them into the pvc pipe, along with a couple cups of lye (Red Devil drain opener has lye in it, some Clorox and Drano’s do to).

        3. Then simply add water, s***w on the top and wait a few minutes.

        What happens in simplicity is that aluminum and lye don’t really get along so they battle, and as always the innocent civilians (water H2O) that the most casualties, by giving up its hydrogen and oxygen. This then builds up in the void of the pipe and is ready to be vented into your engine, by opening the valve. You may need to start your engine on gas then switch it off after the hydrogen starts burning.

        Electrical is a bit easier then Chemically.

        1. Simply take a small solar panel 1.5 amps is what I use ($9 at harborfreight.com), connect the 2 wires from the panel +- to 2 conductors (carbon cores of batteries work well, just be careful removing it from the jacket), but any conductive material will work ie. Copper, aluminum, steel, etc.

        2. Drop the wires into a water tank (I use 55gal drums), make sure they don’t touch each other.

        3. Drill a small hole (1/4inch or so) in the side close to the top, s******g in a small copper shut off valve. Place a few feet of stranded (food grade is good) flex hose to the valve and into the air intake of your engine (carburetor or fuel injections).

        4. Then simply add water, s***w on the top cap and wait.

        After a few hours tiny bubbles will form and rise off one conductor (that’s hydrogen) and even smaller bubbles that just looks like foam will rise off the other (oxygen). I don’t remember which likes the positive and which likes the neg hydrogen or the oxygen.

        The third method is more complicated and is what I use for my vehicles. It’s just a modified Joe’s Cell, there’s a step by step DIY guide available to walk you threw the process here www agua-luna com

    It also covers the other 2 methods described in more detail.

    www agua-luna com

    Hope this helped, feel free to contact me personally if you have any questions if you’d like assistance in making your first self sufficient steps, I’m willing to walk you step by step threw the process. I’ve written several how-to DIY guides available at  www agua-luna com on the subject. I also offer online and on-site workshops, seminars and internships to help others help the environment.

    Dan Martin

    Alterative Energy / Sustainable Consultant, Living 100% on Alternative & Author of How One Simple Yet Incredibly Powerful Resource Is Transforming The Lives of Regular People From All Over The World... Instantly Elevating Their Income & Lowering Their Debt, While Saving The Environment by Using FREE ENERGY... All With Just One Click of A Mouse...For more info Visit:  

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  3. There are a couple of big challenges with hydrogen.  One you've already mentioned - the source.  Right now, most is made from fossil fuels, so its no great benefit right now.

    But another is that we don't have a huge, comprehensive delivery system for hydrogen the way that we have with liquid transportation fuels (gas stations), electricity (power lines) or natural gas (gas lines).    If we went to hydrogen, we would need to retrofit our entire network of gas stations, as well as our entire fleet of vehicles.   This is one reason why there is so much interest in liquid transportation fuels - we already have an entire system in place to deliver it.

    Good question.

  4. 2 ITEMS== 1. ALL MANUFACTURES BUILD THEIR VEHICLES TO USE A SPECIFIED TYPE OF GAS OR DIESEL FUEL AND TO CHANGE TO A ALTERNATIVE FUEL MAY WORK FOR AWHILE, BUT LIKE SOME. SOME HAD TO SPEND THOUSANDS TO REPLACE THEIR ENGINES. 2. BY USEING ALTERNATIVE FUELS IS CAUSING A FOOD SHORTAGE. IT MAY BE CHEAPER ON FUEL NOW, BUT THE FOOD PRICE IS BEING DRIVEN UP BY YOUR IGNORANCE.

  5. That and infrastructure are half the problem. The other half is storage. Gases are notoriously difficult to store in vehicles. And metal hydrides are just too inefficient. Liquid fuels  are just easier to deal with. Hence, ethanol/methanol/ gasoline/diesel fuels which all contain large amounts of easily released H2.

  6. It's a long way off.  Solar energy facilities are still essentially experimental, and large hydrogen electrolysis plants are not easy to build, which is why there aren't any.  Think of miles of tanks, thousands of miles of pipelines (you can't use existing pipelines for hydrogen because it wrecks the steel) and a futuristic arrangement of mirrors or whatever they'd be using out there on the desert.  The environmentalists would be thrilled, too.

  7. hydrogen is a good alternative fuel, but there are issues that need to be addressed before we can use it;

    first, since hydrogen is a gas in its normal state, we need a way to store it. we also need to store the hydrogen under high pressure. thus we need heavy steel tanks to handle the pressure. these tanks need to be inspected every 5 years by law for integrity, and that takes time that having 150million cars on the road doesn't allow.

    second, we have no delivery system in place for hydrogen except for large tankers.

    third we have no infrastructure in place the refill cars that run on hydrogen.

    hydrogen is an excellent alternative fuel for use in automobiles for a number of reasons;

    it burns cleaner

    if the tank ruptures, the hydrogen leaks out all at once, and is then gone, where as gasoline sits there in a liquid form while it eventually evaporates. if the fuel lights off the hydrogen goes up in one big ball of fire and is then gone, where as gasoline sits there feeding the fire continuously until it is gone.

    hydrogen doesn't need different blends for different seasons or altitudes.

  8. yes but it all has a system is we give away hydrogen fuel for a lot less than gas then the the middle eastern countries will be sent into pverty because they have nothing to sell and then the whole world will spastic because of one little flick in the chain

    its sad yes and our ecomnomy isnt very good to the enviroment but theres actually not much we can do about it because of how the rest of the econmony works and so many countries depend on oil for their economy!

    sad i know i wish they could come up with alternative fuel sources

  9. Even if we used solar energy for electrolysis to break the atomic bonds in water molecules to get hydrogen, it would still be a waste.

    It takes a ton of energy to break atomic bonds.  More energy than you can get out by burning the hydrogen for fuel, so overall you have a net loss of energy.  Even if that weren't a problem, there's no hydrogen infrastructure (transport and storage for hydrogen refueling).  Building this infrastructure would cost billions of dollars.

    Instead you could power a car directly with the solar energy by using it to charge up a battery and run an electric motor.  This is a far more efficient process, and the infrastructure (power grid) is already in place.  Electric cars are the way of the future.

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