Another paint horse question?

Question

I just thought the answers about the different kinds of paint horses were really interesting, so I started to wonder. What kind of paint would you consider this pony?

http://www.crosspointfarm.com/beep.html

It's kind of hard to see in the pics, so here's a description: She has 4 socks (below the knee), a white patch on the top of her neck and mane, a star, and her tail is 1/2 black and half white.

And just to see if I got this right, is this one Tobiano?

http://www.crosspointfarm.com/buckwheat.html

Answer 1

The first one does not have and paint markings (spots) so it might just be the breed Paint instead of color, or if I just can't see the markings, she might be an overo. The second horse is a tovero.

Answer 2

im pretty sure that basically a tobiano has 4 white legs (above the knee) and multiple colour mane and tail. And overo's have solid colour legs and color not crossing the shoulders.

I'm pretty sure (from the picture and your description) that she's a Tovero (a cross between the two) because of the solid legs, two-tone mane and tail and the spot of white on her shoulders.

Answer 3

They all look tobiano to me, the pony is a minimal (white tail, spot across shoulder and socks) and buckwheat looks maximum and homozygous. One of my geldings looks similar but with paw prints rather than all those tiny ink spots. However, if there is no color crossing his back he could be a tovero with a sabino gene in there somewhere.  

Answer 4

I am having a rough time remembering the exact amount of white skin a horse has to have to be registered as a regular paint....they have to have a certain amount of white skin...if they don't and either parent was a registered paint, then they are termed "Paint Bred" - this used to be called "Breeding Stock"- these are horses that can be registered as Paints, participate in APHA sanctioned shows but perhaps are limited in terms of some of the benefits of paint registry - but I can't remember what now.  I also have a "paint bred" mare that's a real pretty bay.

So the crosspoint farm pony doesn't look like a regular registered paint, but since she's listed as a paint, she's probably Paint Bred.

I would consider the one that's more white a Tobiano - again because the white covers the mid-point of the horse.  This one probably has some further distinction due to the roaning that appears in the flank area.

I heard a cool term the other day in one of my mags.  It was "Rubicano" (not sure if I've spelled that right).  This color is a horse that's mostly sorrel.  Their hind ends, heads and necks typically are solid and often they have a lot of white on their legs or face and their bodes have thin patches of hair on their barrel sides - close to roan, but often rather wide striped.  The factor that really identifies them would be white hairs at the tops of their tails.  When you see this, you know it and after I read about it, I thought of two horses - both registered AQHA - that exhibit this coloring.

With the advent of changes in Paint and QH registries, I would always check out the possibility of double registering - because there are more availability of breed specific shows and points which equate to value with success in those events.

Hope this helps!

Answer 5

I am having a tough time seeing enough of your ponies to make the distinction of patters, maybe these links will help you determine them yourself.

http://www.apha.com/breed/tobiano.html

http://www.apha.com/breed/overo.html

http://www.apha.com/breed/tovero.html

Answer 6

Okay. Beep is clearly Tobiano. Can't be breeding stock as there are white markings on him. The white I saw was up on the mane on the bigger picture you posted. While the white is minimal he is still considered a tobiano. For good measure- here is a link for Color Me Smart. A minimal white tobiano cutting stallion.

http://www.colormesmart.com/

As for Buckwheat. He appears to be Tovero patterned. While he is mostly white, he has the splashed markings that have laced edgings. If you go to the apha sight you will be able to find the links to all the markings.