Anti's Please Explain. Do You Oppose Domestic Violence?

Question

I appreciate you may not be in favor of VAWA, but just so we are clear,

Do you oppose Domestic Violence against Women?

Do you believe that it should be a crime?

Or do you oppose VAWA because you believe, as it was believed in the 1950s very widely, that it is acceptable to beat women?

Please clarify your positions.

Answer 1

What kind of a crazy question is this no its not right for any kind of domestic violence. But, on the other hand its not fair that the man automatically has to leave when the cops come because he is the aggressor. Even if he has done nothing. An I think women should be placed under arrest for assault if they throw things or slap or scratch.

Julie - You have issues why would a man want a wife like that anyways. I would divorce her before she could throw rape in the air.

Answer 2

I don't doubt for a second that people who oppose VAWA do so because the are against discrimination against men, not because they are for violence against women. I sometimes get brainless answers to my questions like "You can't change the truth as much as you hate women". Its about as intelligent a remark as 'if you are anti-feminist you are anti-women'. Dumb.

Answer 3

actually, just recently, in 1998, it became a crime for a man to rape his wife.

we have only just recently gained justice.

Answer 4

no..i think all ppl should be beaten.......

and the moon is made of blue cheese......

of course im against domestic violence!

anyone in thier right mind would be!

Aoi Roze has spoken ( im copying Mike T)

a thumbs down for being agaisnt domenstic violence? thats absurd..if i knew who you was..id kick you in the butt...uh or would that be considered domestic violence?

Answer 5

I'm against domestic violence toward anyone.

Anti-feminists don't support violence toward women.  They're against sexist laws that discriminated against men.

Answer 6

What sane person would support DV? Do you suspect that anti feminism = pro wife beating? Way off the mark there girl.

Answer 7

The people who do support domestic violence are the same people who don't even know what domestic violence is or are in denial of it happening in their lives.

I don't think anyone here will admit "I don't oppose DV."  I once heard a man at my internship say "Wife-beaters are bad, but I'm not like those other men! I had a reason to hit my wife and I don't do it all the time like they do."

Answer 8

Beg your pardon; just exactly what kind of a question is that? <frowns stares in utter disbelief> What, do you actually believe that an anti-feminist woman, such as moi; for instance; is going to sit there and say, "oh please baby let me have it; I love you?"  Do you honestly believe anyone who has a bit of self-esteem is going to go and do that?  I certainly hope not! <picks up skirt - huffs and walks out of the room - peeks around the door> HOW DARE YOU!!!!!

Answer 9

Having lived through the entire decade of the 50's, I can assure you that it was NOT acceptable for a man to beat women. Stating this the way you did is ultimately sexist propaganda, which is lies, half-truths and innuendo disguised as a statement of fact where no such fact resides. While it was not prosecuted as it is today, it was still illegal, covered under the laws against assault and battery. (Why women need special laws to specifically protect them when there are already laws protecting them is of an by itself, anti-male sexism)

The ONLY people (men AND women) who approve of domestic abuse are those who practice it regularly.

I oppose violence against everyone, which includes women but also must include men and children. Sadly, the law only validates violence against women in such great measures as to include acts that are not violent such as raising one's voice, slamming a door or even self-defense.

The two main reasons I oppose VAWA is 1) it is based entirely upon the incorrect notion that men are always the abuser and women are perpetually the victim, and; 2) the millions of tax dollars that this program puts into the hands of sexist women each year to use to continue their programs of anti-male propaganda and shelters for women only while ignoring that men are abused in nearly equal numbers.

Answer 10

Laela, Guns and Doodlebug have summed it up with lucid brevity.

'Nuff said.

Answer 11

I`m against domestic violence against everyone. Domestic violence is not just a problem for women. It`s a problem for both sexes.

Answer 12

No body likes domestic violence.  The law has a few hiccups that allow loop holes for unconstitutional indefinite presence for non-Americans, but for the most part it is absolutely necessary, absolutely vital, and should be enforced more, not less.

Answer 13

I would not say that I am anti-feminist, more of a non-feminist.

I do not oppose domestic violence laws for anyone. What I object to is the one-sidedness of VAWA.  It essentially leaves men exposed to miscarriages of justice, whether they be the accused or the victim themselves. Violence(domestic or otherwise) should of course be illegal and ALL HUMANS should have laws protecting them.  I hope I have clarified my position.  ;)

Answer 14

Julie M your comment is out of line. Decent Men never had condoned Violence toward Women or anyone else that matter. The question in and of itself is an insult. It follows the Gender Feminists thinking that Men are subhuman brutes.

Men were early promoters of Equality for Women. And were for justice for Women as well as Minority Groups. Those in the Feminist Movement who perpetuated Victimhood Politics had to demonize Men. Their Intent was not to fight for equality but to use the issue to gain Political Power.

Tammy Bruce has openly written about this in her two books "The Death Of Right And Wrong", and "The New Thought Police". Dr. Linda Mills new book about the myths that Feminism continues to promote about Domestic Abuse will never lead to a solution to the problem.

When Women choose Thugs, Bad Boys, and Criminals over decent Men. Whose fault is it when the aforementioned act without impulse control and abusively? Obviously the Men are responsible for their behavior. But what about the choices Women make? Are they not accountable for choosing Bad Boys? If you play with fire sooner or later you expect to get burned. It is called the law of Cause and Effect. You reap that which you sow.

Assault is a crime, Battery is a Crime. Criminal Actions are exactly that. Your question about the 1950s shows you are misinformed about the issues. Domestic Abuse has been widely redefined. It is now by statute the following.

Forbidding your Spouse from over spending, Forbidding your Spouse from associations with Criminals and Thugs. No Virginia I forbid you to go to the Biker Bar and to hang out with Phil the Meth Chemist. That is abuse by Law in many states now. Raising your voice is considered Domestic Abuse. Stomping your feet is domestic abuse. In short all a Woman has to do is to say "I feel Afraid". And a Man can be removed from his own residence. Even if he has done nothing wrong.

This happen to Yanni the Entertainer. When he had an argument with his girlfriend. He was put in jail, and she started the Fight. She got to stay in his home, they did not cohabitate. And she had free run of his residence.

Answer 15

I belive in equality. Domestic abuse is relativly speaking a 50-50 problem.

      The problem I have with the VAWA is that it can easly be used by a liar to gain an unfair advantage in a divorce.(And the fact that our constitution bars any law that benifits anyone on the basis of race,gender,religion)

    It also enables foriegn brides to trick there american husband and as soon as she is here she crys abuse and she gets the house,most of his life savings and an instant green card.

      I resent the fact that in most parts of the world domestic violence is 50/50(india,china,europe,australia,NZ,no... america) but yet so much is focused on only defending womens right not to be abused. Way I see it unless we are prepared to fight all forms of domestic abuse it would be blatantly sexist and discriminatory and down right evil to only help one group of people that are suffering.

       The argument that feminist's try to make when ever domestic abuse is raised is "are you with us or are you a rapist abuser" isn't going to cut it.

     I pay tax's and I expect that a fair or equal amount of those tax's would go towards govermnent programs that would either benifit everyone or benifit me.



    But when the govermnent wants to spend billions upon billions upon billions more on women than men that is discrimination.  No one should have to live with abuse, but feminist's and other man haters seem inclinded to belive that basic human rights and decency dont seem to apply when the victim is male.

     Remember Duke! where the real face of all feminists was revealed!

(nope we know all about feminists, we dont think of bra burners or chicks who refuse to shave we think of lets see, a group of bigots who only care about superiority not equality. And the funny thing feminists keep reinforcing that belief everytime something comes up, the duke scandal.. paternity fraud when states began to pass laws to protect or enslave men, when domestic abuse is talked about down to feminists war against boys)

Answer 16

I oppose domestic violence, regardless of who it is targeted at. Obviously it should be a crime.

Answer 17

Anti-feminists generally know very little about feminism. They hear feminist and they think bra burning L*****n of the 60s, but the radical movement of the 60s was necessary to get the ball towards equality rolling. And that aside, there are dozens of different types of feminists, the simplist one being the belief in equality of the sexes.

Just because you see a woman working outside the home doesn't mean equality has been achieved. A woman still earns less then a man working the same job, and women are still the overwhelming majority of victims of s*x crimes and domestic violence.

And the feminist movements aren't limited to the US. I think everyone here would agree the Sudan and Afghanistan could use a feminist movement.

Answer 18

Firstly I am not specifically an anti-feminist. I had a lot of respect for the first wave since that was about equal rights and opportunities. I just took issue with them when they realised that equal opportunities while always leading to fair outcomes often don't lead to equal outcomes and thus they manipulated opportunities and now it seems rights are following.

This is an example of something that could be fair however even if by definition it is unequal.

I oppose ALL domestic violence, my problem is that by pretty much excluding men from an act which is meant to deal with the issue you're saying not so much that women are victims (which they are) but you're also saying that by default men are perpetrators.

Whatever "gender neutral" language exists in that act is purely a legal formality from what I could see and is pretty much nowhere to be found past page 34 of this 170+ page act

p.s. I hope this isn't a self-validating question, that would be pathetic

Edit: the problem SMIT is hardly that there will be trouble enforcing it, but rather how those enforcing it will interpret the legislation

Edit @ kim "get the ball towards equality rolling" thanks for providing evidence that feminists wanted equality for the sake of being equal. If you have equal rights and opportunities then equality is by no means the only fair outcome

"A woman still earns less then a man working the same job"

Here's an illustration of why that can be fair and just.

Person A earns more than person B in the same job as a result of being more productive. It is unequal by definition but clearly fair that one should be paid more for more work

Similarly person A earns the same as person B in the same job while being more productive. It is equal by definition but obviously unfair to pay them the same since person A was more productive and thus deserved more. Thoughts?