Any ideas for global warming? They will be going to house of lords!?

Question

Hi there. I am a member of youth parliament and am really passionate about global warming. I represent Shropshire in the U.K and on May the 2nd I will be going to the house of lords to have a debate about the upcoming manifesto for the year. This will make history as the first ever debate to be held by under 18 year olds. I would like to know if anyone has any really positive ideas or arguments for and against climate change that i could take with me to debate. The best answer/s I will take to the house of lords to see if we can change things. I am trying to get the youths voice heard, but ideas from adults are also welcome. If you would like to watch the debate, it will be on Parliament Tv on freeview on May 2nd and also the news. All answers will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for listening and get posting!

Answer 1

Hi. I'm a recently retired research physicist in the US. Let me give you a summary of the Global Warming issue.

1) Climate change occurs on Earth due to natural phenomena that have nothing to do with man. A very good presentation for this can be found at

http://www.discovery.org/v/30

Before you go to your debate, you would do well to look at the presentation by Dr. Noah Robinson (CalTech)

2) Greenhouse gases. Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is a greenhouse gas but not a very major one. The principle greenhouse gas on Earth is H2O, more commonly referred to as water.

3) The adverse effects of placing caps on CO2 emissions from man are catastophic. Refusing to drill and refine oil makes for inflated fuel prices. Taking our food and making Ethanol makes the price of food increase, poor people in poor countries to suffer malnuitrition and starvation and renders a fuel that is less efficient than petrol. (You get less mileage out of a gallon of ethanol than you get out of a gallon of straight petrol.)

4) We need the CO2 in the atmosphere because without it, plants won't grow, you won't be able to eat the plants and we will all die from starvation.

5) Information about the 1500 year cycle of global warming and global cooling can be found at

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/st/st279/st279a....

     If you want very long term data (over the past 150,000 years) you may want to look at this website:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v31...

       There are many more resources and where you can get information regarding the manmade global warming hoax. But the summary given by Dr. Robinson should probably suffice for your debate. I hope that this helps.

       I would give you my email address, but I don't want to post it here because I don't want a flood of unwanted emails.

I hope that you have a great time at the debate.

RPR

Answer 2

A good FAQ on the science:

Frequently Asked Questions from Climate Change 2007: The Physical Science Basis. ...

http://www.gcrio.org/ipcc/ar4/wg1/faq/in...

Detail on the 100+ year history behind CO2 science:

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.h...

Measuring mankind's contribution to current CO2 levels though carbon isotope analysis:

http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/e...

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Evidence that current observed affects on species are global, and statistically linked to global warming:

Global warming brings early spring

http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2005/5...

Man-made global warming has caused spring weather to appear an average of 10 days earlier than the start of spring 30 years ago, according to a report released Monday by Stanford scientists.

The researchers looked at approximately 130 species within 41 150-square mile grids.

MacMynowski added that the study is novel because it shows that the majority of these changes can be best explained by the human injection of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

“Natural variation in the earth’s temperature, such as that caused by solar output or volcanoes, is not an adequate explanation,” MacMynowski said. “Global warming is real and almost certainly caused by human actions.”

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More details on that global study by Stanford researchers:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/...

Mother Nature has rushed spring forward by nearly 10 days worldwide, on average, in just 30 years, the study shows.

"What we're really concerned about is this tearing apart of communities; some species are going to be changing, and some are not," said study co-author Terry Root, an ecologist at Stanford's Center for Environmental Science and Policy.

The peer-reviewed study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, statistically links global warming from the burning of fossil fuels.

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This study projects significant species extinctions as a result:

http://www.killerinourmidst.com/methane%...

A careful examination of a large number of species in numerous parts of the planet projects that a stunning portion of them will be "committed to extinction" in just 50 years, with only modest global warming (Thomas, 2004).

The findings are the result of a comprehensive examination of more than a thousand terrestrial species -- plants, insects, mammals, birds, frogs and reptiles -- in regions representing about 20% of the Earth's surface. The regions studied are located in all continents except Asia, and represent a wide variety of environments: boreal (northern), temperate, and tropical forests, tundra, grasslands, savannah, deserts. The amount of warming that was projected in the study was shockingly small. Three projections were used: 0.8 to 1.7 °C (1.4 to 3.0°F) in the minimal warming case, 1.8 to 2.0°C (3.2 to 3.6°F) with mid-range climate change, over 2.0°C (3.6°F) at maximum (Thomas, 2004; Pounds and Puschendorf, 2004).

But with only this rather minimal amount of warming, and even with an assumed ability to disperse to more favorable environments, 11, 19, and 33 percent of total species (in minimal, mid-range, and maximal cases, respectively) will disappear. Mortality among those species with little or no ability to disperse will be considerably higher (34, 45, and 58 % in the respective no dispersal cases).

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The Pentagon projects global riots and anarchy in as few as 12 years:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/...

"Already, according to Randall and Schwartz, the planet is carrying a higher population than it can sustain. By 2020 'catastrophic' shortages of water and energy supply will become increasingly harder to overcome, plunging the planet into war. They warn that 8,200 years ago climatic conditions brought widespread crop failure, famine, disease and mass migration of populations that could soon be repeated."

The U.S. military is already practicing putting down revolts by U.S. citizens, in the U.S.:

http://www.upi.com/International_Securit...

"U.S. foreign affairs and military experts will stage a war game this summer to study and highlight the national security threats posed by global warming."

Linkage of 4500 historical wars to past climate change:

http://www.gatech.edu/newsroom/release.h...

"Climate change may be one of the most significant threats facing humankind. A new study shows that long-term climate change may ultimately lead to wars and population decline."

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To counter the false claim that the current rate of climate change has happened in the past:

New Research Confirms Antarctic Thaw Fears - Spiegel Online

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk...

"...the Pine Island Glacier has shrunk by an average of 3.8 centimeters annually over the past 4,700 years. But the Smith and Pope glaciers have only lost 2.3 centimeters of their thickness annually during the past 14,500 years. Satellite measurements taken between 1992 and 1996, though, show a loss of 1.6 meters in thickness per year on the Pine Island Glacier -- a figure that represents 42 times the average melt of the past 4,700 years."

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In fact, many past global climate changes provide evidence of CO2-linked warming:

Climate Model Links Warmer Temperatures to Permian Extinction

http://www.physorg.com/news6003.html

"The CCSM indicated that ocean temperatures warmed significantly at higher latitudes because of rising atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas.

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Countering the claim that global warming is a U.N. plot to shift wealth towards developing nations (they're a significant source of the wwarming as well):

Black carbon pollution emerges as major player in global warming - PhysOrg

http://www.physorg.com/news125500721.htm...

"Black carbon, a form of particulate air pollution most often produced from biomass burning, cooking with solid fuels and diesel exhaust, has a warming effect in the atmosphere three to four times greater than prevailing estimates, according to scientists in an upcoming review article in the journal Nature Geoscience."

"...soot and other forms of black carbon could have as much as 60 percent of the current global warming effect of carbon dioxide, more than that of any greenhouse gas besides CO2."

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Among the response options that come at the least global cost:

"Having a billion fewer people by 2050 to reduce carbon emissions would cost 1,000 times less than all the other options"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jh...

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Explaining the (manufactured) appearance of skepticism:

Exxposing ExxonMobil's Agenda: Manipulating Politics and the Public

http://www.exxposeexxon.com/facts/dailyf...

At Fox News, a Pundit for Hire

http://www.freepress.net/news/print.php?...

"Objective viewers long ago realized that Fox News has a political agenda. But, when a pundit promotes this agenda while on the take from corporations that benefit from it, then Fox News has gone one disturbing step further"

Psychology: Denial

http://www.wowessays.com/dbase/ae5/csk11...

"Denial, in the psychological/psychiatric vernacular, is a defensive strategy to minimize anxiety."

"Sadly, many addicts continue to act out on their addictions while their world collapses around them blaming everything but the addiction for their problems (USDHHS, 1994)"

Putting the actual number of folks in denial in perspective, including vs. disbelief in the Apollo lunar landing:

"Seventy-one percent say that global warming is probably happening, 6 percent believe it is probably not happening..."

http://www.fightglobalwarming.com/conten...

"A 1999 poll by the The Gallup Organization found that 89 percent of the US public believed the landing was genuine, while 6 percent did not..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon...

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Bring to the debate a detailed list of the denial propaganda myths debunked:

http://scholarsandrogues.wordpress.com/2...

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I can't direct you to any good arguments or credible evidence against global warming, since I haven't seen any.  Here's how the science stacks up:

Here is what the balance looks like in terms of scientific evidence:

"The consensus was quantified in a Science study by Prof. Naomi Oreskes (Dec. 2004) in which she surveyed 928 scientific journal articles that matched the search [global climate change] at the ISI Web of Science. Of these, according to Oreskes, 75% agreed with the consensus view (either implicitly or explicitly), 25% took no stand one way or the other, and none rejected the consensus."

http://norvig.com/oreskes.html

One 2003 paper by Soon and Baliunas frequently referenced by skeptics apparently was not counted:

http://www.heatisonline.org/contentserve...

As the new editor of the journal says,  "It was flawed and it shouldn't have been published."  The journal's prior editors had to resign following the paper's publication.  Not surprisingly, the paper was partly funded by the American Petroleum Institute.

Answer 3

problems;

sea rise map;

http://flood.firetree.net/

tipping points;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7227...

world wide economic depression and political instability.

Bangladesh (our old colony, separated from India by our partition; India is building a wall to keep them in now)

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/com...

solutions;

for u.k.;

feed in tarrif for renewables as in germany

for the world;

contraction and convergence

http://www.gci.org.uk/contconv/cc.html

good luck.

Answer 4

Fat chance of them doing to much apart from population control,their chief Prince Philip wants to be re incarnated as a virus.

They have the smell of NWO,so global control is more on their Agenda than Global Warming (please don`t say I said that)

Most of the human factor are in the hands of the Public.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;...

Popularize alternatives for  the internal combustion engine ,

stop deforestation

death penalty for deliberate and prolonged  pollution

subsidize family planning for the poor the world over .And help set up ,sustainable  organic food growing projects

in those areas



subsidize water harvesting projects on a large scale in dry aras the world over. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;...

and move policies and Philosophies towards a Garden Culture http://byderule.multiply.com/journal/ite...



with Ago Urbanization

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoRjz8iTV...

William McDonough has designed a city under the land which produces all the food.

for the people living below it,

It produces its own energy and is the closest thing I have ever seen of Modern Man blending with Nature in a sustainable and self sufficient manner.

A beautiful solution to Urban spread,(Be patient ,he does not go into this until the very end of the video)

that should do it.

Answer 5

Besides the fact that burning fossil fuels releases a large amount of CO2 that causes global warming by trapping heat inside the Earths atmosphere,using the fossil fuels is a dead end street.Sooner or later we will exhaust all the oil sources[or exhaust the sources that can be reached with current technology] and if we do not transfer to a renewable energy source as soon as possible the human society will crumble because in its current state it is almost entirely dependant on a unrenewable energy source.If we run out of oil we may not be able to make the change to the renewable energy source/s because mostly the vehicles with internal combustion will be left with no oil to combust to transfer the materials for building the renewable energy technology.We must change while we still can.Short term planning will cause the downfall of humanity.

Answer 6

Good for you and the younger generation! Although, I can't see one trying to argue against climate change. It's either happening, or it isn't. Well, we all know it is changing. The only debate is how much man is causing. We know that mainstream science, such as your Royal Society, supports the Anthropogenic Global Warming theory. It's probably best if you keep adults out. You will either have many supporting the theory of AGW or a few preaching no action whatsoever, due to their opinion that GW is natural or not happening. I won't tell you to act on climate change, but I think it's immoral and at the height of irresponsibility to tell you NOT to act on climate change.

Answer 7

check this out http://www.iceagenow.com

Answer 8

Global Warming is a scam . Just look at the people making huge amounts of money . Raising the price of gasoline but there is not a shortage of fossil fuels. The fossil fuels are recycled by plants and we will never run out.

Answer 9

First of all, Gabriel's point ignores the fact that the reason we still use so much oil is that there's still a lot of money to be made from extracting and selling it. When peak oil finally arrives the oil companies may begin to market some of the patents they've bought up and sat on, I've seen dozens of promising idea come along, get researched, peer-reviewed, patented - and then they vanish into some rich company's vault.

Second, and more to you question, RPR is right. No doubt the establishment will expect youthful speakers to be worried about global warming so why not educate yourself on the many inconsistencies, falsehoods and distortions that litter everything the IPCC does. They still use the Mann hockey stick chart, even though it's been proven to be not just wrong, but intentionally fixed to produce the result they wanted, by pretending the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age never happened.

The IPCC uses a chart that shows a few thousand years ago CO2 levels were below 150 parts per million. Since that's well below the suffocation level for all plant life, it's curious that there are still plants around. No massive die-out so obviously that chart is wrong, too, but it provides a nice even line of increasing CO2 caused by us.

The heating directly caused by CO2 trapping infrared radiation and keeping it within the atmosphere will cause very little warming, so they now claim it will be greatly magnified by other factors. However, they can only show this using computer models and unfortunately, if you plug yesterday's numbers into those models they can't even accurately predict what the weather was then. How accurate are they at predicting temp 100 years from now?

They downplay the role of the sun in warming despite the fact that life on Earth would be impossible without it's heat, we don't understand it's cycles and their impact on anything from atmospheric heating to terrestrial heating, cosmic ray impact on our atmosphere, and far too many other areas I won't get into. It's such a complex system that's it's often called chaotic, because you just can't predict what it will do due to that complexity and how little we understand it.

Trust me, nothing would be as shocking and refreshing as hearing young people refusing to just parrot back what their teachers and the "Inconvenient Truth" has been trying to pound into their heads. Do your own research, you really don't have to be a scientist to understand it and what is a scientist anyway except someone who studies science?

I'll post links if you're interested.