Are global warming deniers sceptics likely to lessen with this new information?

Question

The idea that solar activity has a direct relation to climate change has recently been proven to be false, and that it IS in direct relation to the build up of greenhouse gases produced by humans.

Given this information, are sceptics of global warming more likely to accept the reality of it or are there other excuses or hypothesis that they can cling to?

Answer 1

Not a chance.  To be blunt, the theory that the Sun is causing the current global warming has been completely disproven for years.  The climate scientists over at RealClimate recently said about solar warming:

"That's a coffin with so many nails in it already that the hard part is finding a place to hammer in a new one."

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/arc...

The essence of denialists is that nothing will convince them they're wrong, no matter how strong the evidence.  If they need to, they'll just find a new "theory" explaining why humans aren't causing global warming, or why it's a good thing that we are.

To address Tyler - I didn't watch his YouTube video, but "the scientific evidence of the correlation of CO2 to be inversely related to temperature"?  Are you serious?  You're trying to argue that a greenhouse gas causes temperatures to decrease?

Please crack open a science book and read up on the greenhouse effect.  If you don't understand the most basic science, you're certainly not going to understand the man-made global warming theory.  And if you don't understand the theory, you shouldn't be forming conclusions about whether or not it's right.

This is a great example of the problem with global warming 'skeptics' - generally they simply don't understand the science.  They think the Sun is causing global warming even though its output has not increased on average over the past 30 years as global temperatures have increased 0.5°C, or they think the greenhouse effect doesn't exist, or have some other very basic scientific misunderstanding.

Answer 2

Holding a bit more of the sun's heat in?  How Bob?  How in the world can a compound that is at the sole mercy of its environment have any special qualities, such as the thermal qualities that you so eloquently and ridiculously state?  There is absolutely NO WAY!  CO2 cannot retain its heat for 24 hours, much less for the amount of time that you alarmists allege.  It is just plain not common sense, impossible and just plain ludicrous.  Then that light spectra thing.... LOLOL  That just sends it over the top...

Funny how the weather men and women always say high pressure system, low pressure system, dew point and humidity.  Funny, they never say it's gonna be hot cause CO2 is high today....

Answer 3

No. This has been known for quite awhile and most of them still haven't gotten the memo, since solar activity is one of their favorite lines of BS.

Answer 4

Not the slightest chance.  They haven't abandoned any of their other myths when they were debunked, why would they abandon that one?

The DENIER/skeptic movement is like a ship without a rudder right now.  Bush and some supporters created them in the same way and for the same reasons as Hitler created the brownshirts: to attack some opposition it was politically inconvenient for him to attack himself.  Bush and the others have abandoned them now in the same way and for the same reasons Hitler abandoned the brownshirts.  The DENIER/skeptics just don't know it.  Their intended role was to stonewall certain law enforcement and certain key science research for the duration of his Administration so that he and some people he is financially aligned with (like the Saudi's, the oil companies and car companies)  could make all the money possible during his Administration.  They accomplished their purpose well, but after that, like the brownshirts they serve no purpose and are somewhat politically inconvenient to the Republican Party (not all of whom are crooks in bed with big oil).

People who get sucked in to this type of agenda usually aren't great thinkers.  Hitler simply killed all the brownshirts, so they didn't have anything to figure out.  I suspect denierism will be part of our environment for a long time, as Bush probably won't follow Hitler's example in this particular case.

They are Red baiters and proud of it.  If people in general don't oppose them and call their bluffs they will grow and become a real danger to the country as they did last time(scapegoating is a popular way people excuse their own shortcomings).  If they are handled as Joe McCarthy et al were FINALLY handled, they will dwindle into the same kind of lurking but dormant menace they were until 1998.

Bob, another reason is they are planning manned Mars and Moon trips, and they want to get a better handle on the radiation levels.

Cindy, I have absolute confidence you will be disputing the periodic table real soon, and LOLing away.  You really ought to learn some chemistry.  You'd be shocked!

Answer 5

Dana, solar flares can disrupt the Earth's magnetic field causing more absorption of the sun's direct rays.  

If is was absolutely proven, why hasn't anyone come out and say they are 100% positive?  Cause they can't.

Mady, you can't change the minds of the arrogant.  You seem arrogant with your claims that you have facts and skeptics has false data.  You should look in the mirror before you judge someone.

Answer 6

I only have two issues, (1.) Where did the heat come from in the first place? (2.) Why is NASA undertaking such a rush study of solar flares? They know how unpredictable it is, but h_ll, it's just the sun.

Edit (Bob), that's the most generalized description of solar radiation a extremist has ever proclaimed. Maybe planet killers?  Here read this:

http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/flares...

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/...

The list is endless.........

No Co2 is not causing the warming it's a retention factor. You said so yourself??? Chicken and the egg...you and Dana both need some remedial studies.

Heck I'm going to report myself...I do apologize to the poser of this question and the others. But the logic implied by the alarmist is beyond any type of comprehension.

Answer 7

Unfortunately I don't think so. This theory has been debunked earlier and it doesn't stop the deniers claims about "it's the sun". Hopefully though it can make some real sceptics rethink.

Interesting article b t w.

Answer 8

Nope, not in the least.   I still will run my car, burn my trash, and absolutely refuse to recycle.

Answer 9

A few will understand this science.

"I have just two questions.  (1.) Where did the heat come from in the first place?"

OK, two answers.

The Sun.  But the _warming_ is caused by CO2 holding just a bit more of the Sun's heat in.

"(2.) Why is NASA undertaking such a rush study of solar flares?"

Solar flares are important because they disrupt radio communications and endanger astronauts.  Not because they can warm the Earth significantly (they can't).

Answer 10

I suppose 20 years of solar data proves this theory is NOT correct?

Answer 11

I would first like to give a word to Ammego Mccain!! and others like him:When you say you are burning your trash, not recycling, and so on, you will be the ones that suffer most, and what you are doing is out of pure greed, ignorance, and arrogancy. And when people like you say that they believe in the bible, obviously not. You are contradicting yourself. You should be arrested. That is far worse than dealing crack, which btw your famed George Dubya used to do.

Second of all to answer your questions: Skeptics will be Skeptics, they have false answers, and we have facts. We will rarely change the minds of the arrogant, but save the lives of others.

In 20 years, when the sever consequences come into play, they will be impacted first, and the worst. And they will be looking back and thinking, d**n, we should've listened to the facts, and such.

Answer 12

It will only lessen the "cosmic ray" theorists...there are other explanations much more plausible than CO2.  For all we know, man COULD be responsible...but it could be in the form of microwave pollution.  Temperature rise correlates nicely with the increase of microwave use as a communications medium...and water vapor is a much better greenhouse gas than CO2.

Until man better understands this complex system, I will continue to believe the Sun warms the Earth.

Answer 13

The theory of greenhouse gases also also been debunked several times by real scientists, not some scientists who are just tools for al gore's propaganda.  Global warming is not caused by humans, end of discussion.

Answer 14

Sceptics believe what they want. Their carefully constructed arguments mat fall away but new ones will take their place.  Is there a consipracy to cover up that global warming is a myth? Just like the one about man landing on the moon.