Are toyotas being punished unfairly by the timing of this mandate?

Question

tina, yes, carl had to work within the guidelines too - back when they were set the SAME FOR EVERYBODY at the beginning of the year. he's not going to have change how he drives now because his car is going to be 15 horsepower lighter. but the toyota drivers now have "new guidelines" forced on them (again) and the other teams can play "watch-and-see" to see how toyota does now then decide on whether or not they want to use their new engines. if toyota does worse now, what incentive does chevy have to change to the R07, then have to install the stricter restrictor?

and how can you not call forcing one manufacturer, who all year has been told they were within specs and all was fine - through two previous tests, to learn to deal with a car that suddenly has 15 less horsepower. no matter how you look at it is a penalty - a 15 horsepower penalty - for playing by the rules and doing it better than the others...

Answer 1

The rules in place on day 1 of the season should be the rules on the last day of the season. A mid season rules change doesn't seem fair to me.

Answer 2

Well, I agreed with you until I read Tina's answer.

Answer 3

NASCAR is the new IROC. Hopefully it will last 10 more years. Then the babies that cry about Toyota will have their wish.

Answer 4

I'm guessing and only guessing, but I would think that this was announced a few weeks ago to the teams and it's just now come out to the public just for the fact that time was needed to test these things out.

There's a ton of things that I find unfair about NA$CAR, but 2 wrongs dont make a right if in fact no notice was given.  But it should seem pretty obvious that NA$CAR done the wrong thing out of the gate and I do hate mid-season rule changes.

I'm glad it's changed, but like many others, I dont wanna see IROC cars, and it's unfortunate that this is what the sport has come down to.

Answer 5

lol with you and Tina, you two are as bad as my kids.

Now that I've gotten that off my chest.....It's all good, those JGR boys won't let that slow them down one single bit. You'll see.

Just sit back and enjoy the show, man!!

Answer 6

Yes Rowdy.  I won't explain but yes.  Well I'll explain a bit.  Look at Roush a few years back and DEI .  They did nothing until the season ended.  Some fans and teams now have a "witchhunt" out for Toyota.  JGR did their homework.  Well anyway for your sake and any JGR fan it won't matter.  Let them do it.  I'll enjoy Saturday night when they win again.  lol

Answer 7

What YES said. I just answered a question before this one, it's to the point lets just have NASCAR run 43 IROC cars each week. The France family has already shot itself in the foot with these ridiculous rule changes and ghost yellows.

Answer 8

NASCAR has lost so much credibility in my eyes that I could care less who gets rooked next.

Answer 9

No more unfair than Toyota getting to race with an advantage half the season.

Answer 10

Yes, it is unfair. It's not Toyota's fault everyone else can't keep up...

Answer 11

No, the other 3 teams were punished by the timing of this. It should have been weeks ago.

Answer 12

Yes they are.

They built a good engine with in the rules so let them keep it and tell the competition to just get better.

I mean Chevy and Hendrick dominated last year and NASCAR didn't do a thing about it....

But then again there only doing this in the Nationwide Series.

Answer 13

You know I am a Jr fan and I drive a Ford. The make of car on the track is pointless it seems. NASCAR trys so hard to get everybody even it makes me want to puke! They should have given the teams time to adjust but they have done this before and will again. They will keep messing around until they are all running Hondas and burning methanol. It is as bad as bringing a new tire to the track that is not even close to what was used before or tested.

Answer 14

Yes, they should have given them warning BUT they have been living on borrowed time already.  Some might suggest that the advantage they have had all along is much more unfair than the abrupt enforcement of these new rules.

3 STR8 N 08!!!

Answer 15

It is unfair because the only reason Toyota has more horsepower is because when they came to cup their new engines were the latest generation in cup. Other teams don't have enough funding to buy and build the new engines that came standard to Toyota. If they are going to punish them on such short notice, why not make the new engines standard for every cup team.

Answer 16

If you mean do they need more time to make an adjustment then

********NO WAY*******.

All they have to do is add a  tapered spacer (restrictor plate) to the engine and NASCAR rules says that NASCAR will provide this plate.

How long does Gibbs need to bolt on a restrictor plate? Until November..???

NASCAR needs to approve engines and there would be no restrictor plate. Ford needs to submit their designs for a new engine before September. Dodge too.

Read the article at the bottom of this page and it gives the exact dimensions for the spacer. http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headline...

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"At all Events, unless otherwise specified, all engines with a cylinder bore spacing less than 4.470 inches must compete using a tapered spacer with four (4) 1.125-inch diameter holes. At all Events, unless otherwise specified, all engines with a cylinder bore spacing of 4.470 inches or more must compete using a tapered spacer with four (4) 1.100-inch diameter holes. Unless otherwise authorized, the carburetor restrictor will be issued by NASCAR."

"Eventually, all teams that upgrade to new engine packages will be subject to this rule modification," said Robin Pemberton, NASCAR vice president of competition. "Over the years in our sport, we've taken steps on numerous occasions to help maintain a level playing field among our competitors and we will continue to do so."

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I still say no way. Carl Edwards had to work within the guidelines didn't he? It was unfair to him too wasn't it?

Also how is it a "horsepower penalty"? I haven't seen anything that says there is a penalty.  All I have seen is a deadline for Toyota to reduce their horsepower and NASCAR just says "Bolt this plate on". How unfair is it that Chevy has had to race all season with 17 to 21 horsepower less?  (Milwaukee and Chicagoland tests results not to mention the 30 hp advantage in the Cup series and also Xtra HP in the truck series.)

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So that you don't get confused this is part of your question and I quote YOU....

"what incentive does chevy have to change to the R07, then have to install the stricter restrictor?"

My answer is this. Chevy has already tried to get Nascar to let Chevy use the R07 engines.

I will not add anything more to that because I know it will only confuse you. Do your homework. Research the facts and you will not be at odds with everyone else.

Answer 17

My dady is bigger than your daddy. Na nan nan nana nana

Answer 18

YES...this kind of thing shouldve happen WAAAAY before  in the beginning of the season.  I agree with you 100%....just for that i hope Kyle comes in second to JEFF GORDON...if Gordon can't win it...than i'll go with kyle. =)

I also agree with Trego-topolopolis

Answer 19

Sounds Like Tina Answered The Question, Plus A Little More. You Wanted An Answer and You Got One.

Answer 20

Well Toyota shouldn't even be in Nascar this is an AMERICAN sport, and Toyota only has fast cars right now because they have an unlimited budget, so I don't care what they have to do they should either get out or shut up.