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Are vasectomy and tubectomy bith considered equally as methods of safe and responsinble sexual behaviour?

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I have read too many posts from females that it is men who should get a vasectomy or have no s*x at all but what about women should they be allowed to just express their sexuality in an open and unsafe manner?

Why does tubectomy ot getting the tubes tied for a woman never a solution for unawanted preganancies?

Is the burden of ensuring unawnated preganancies on the man only???

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  1. No it is not on the man ONLY. Both the male and female should take that extra precation in preventing a unwanted pregnancy. However, vasectomy is easier on the male thean a tubectomy is for a woman.

    No one should express their sexuality in an open unsafe manner. Those procedures dosen't prevent STD's or HIV for that matter. A condom should be used anyway


  2. Tubectomies are more dangerous than vasectomy.  Vasectomies can be performed with a small incision in an office, while it is more complicated because the fallopian tubes are not near the surface.  

    And more often than not preventing pregnancies is the women's responsibility.  Many assume that women are on the pill/shot/ring.  Women are taught to use condoms, though they are used on the male.

  3. They are not considered equally safe, because differences in anatomy make the sterilization procedure more risky for women than men.

    They are both equally effective and both are permanent, although vasectomy carries the possibility of reversal.

    The permanent nature of tubal ligation makes it an unappealing option for women in their early reproductive years, unless they wish to remain child free forever.

    The burden of preventing unwanted pregnancy rests with each individual who wishes it.  It's nice when the two can work together as a team to avoid pregnancy, but ultimately, if you want to avoid pregnancy, it is your responsibility to choose a method that works for your body to prevent pregnancy.

    The issue that this raises, is one of motivation.  Since men don't get pregnant, what is their motivation to help their female partners prevent it?

  4. Vasectomies are less complicated procedures and usually reversible.

    Some doctors won't preform tubectomies because they're usually permanent and the doctor thinks the woman will change her mind and regret it.

  5. "Is the burden of ensuring unawnated preganancies on the man only???"

    Number of methods of non-permanent birth control undertaken by the woman: IUD, pill, diaphragm, cervical cap, sponge, foam, contraceptive film, implant, injection, female condom, patch

    Number of methods of non-permanent birth control undertaken by men: condom

    Oh, yeah...that's a heavy burden you guys carry. One whole method. Waaaaaaahhhhh!!!!!

  6. vasectomies are easier and cheaper, yet more women get tubal ligations.

    the burden of unplanned pregnancies have always fallen on the women: the shame, the stigma, the botched abortions, the financial outlay of birth control, abortion & upbringing of the child.

    women, primarily, pay for the costs of doctor visits, contraception, prenatal care.

    i find it funny, in a cynical way, how men on here want a say in abortion.....why don't you voice that way before it ever gets to a pregnancy.....why not ask the woman what kind of family planning method to use? why not ask her if she's concerned about the health risks of her contraception? why not ask her her opinion on abortion....BUT NOOOOOOOOO, this discussion is too complicated for yas......ya think ya can have s*x and find an easy way out for men ONLY......well, think again, b/c fortunately mainstream society still has some working brain cellls

    as for you guys, get a clue

  7. Nithr protects against STDs.

    Vasectomies are a relatively minor proceedure; much less intrusive. (That's becoming somewhat less so with improvements in surgery in general.)

  8. Vasectomies are an office visit procedure whereas a "tubectomy" is considered a major operation that required full anasthesia and a hospital stay.

  9. Tubal ligation (sorry for earlier error :-)) is a more invasive procedure than vasectomy. It needs to be done under a general anaesthetic whereas vasectomy can be carried out under local. Also vasectomy is more reliable (1/2000 men become fertile following the operation as opposed to 1/200 women becoming pregnant after tubal ligation). For this reason in committed couples it's usually considered better for the man to have the vasectomy.

  10. That's funny because I've seen more posts stating that women should keep their legs shut.

    But it's a simple answer really - a vasectomy IS the better option for these reasons ad this isn't sexist, it's just science:

    A V is a simpler operation, to have a tube tied you have to have a general anethetic where they cut a hole through your adominal wall to get to your fallopian tube.

    Recovery takes long fr women - men are able to go back to work the next day whereas it usually takes women 3 weeks for pain to subside.

    Lot less after pain

    V is easier to reverse

    Tubal is still dnagerous - you wont get pregnant normaly but it makes the chance of an ectopic pregnant higher, which is where the egg grows in the tube and is extremely painful and dangerous.

    I have researched this a lot as my hubby and I are considering one of the other options. There is a new non surgical method where they insert something into the tube and the tissue scars over.

    ALSO it's a lot easier for guys to get a V - if you are woman it's like being cross examines, and all this pansy rubbish about 'are you sure' and 'maternal body clock' c**p.

    EDIT: Thought this was a legitimate question, but seems it's more a 'women have more toys to play with' rant.

  11. Good luck in finding a doctor who will perform a tubal ligation if you're under the age of 30 and have never had children. However, I've been told that it's much easier for a man to get a vasectomy done at any age, no questions asked. I've known men who were able to get them when they were in their early 20s.

  12. "Also since it is about only a womans body the burden should be perhaps more on women rather than men because they dont even have a say in parenthood or abortion."

    It is precisely because men DON'T have a say that they should take on a greater role in preventing unwanted pregnancies.  

    Like it or not, with our current laws a woman can opt out of pregnancy--for any reason whatsoever--if she chooses.  Thus, she can be as careless as she wants and know with certainty that she will never have to deal with an unwanted child, because she can always get an abortion.  

    The same isn't true for men.  If a careless man gets a woman pregnant, the decision as to what will become of the embryo is entirely out of his hands.  If the woman decides to abort it, good for him.  But if she decides to keep it, he's saddled with child support payments for 18 years.  

    Thus, precisely because you HAVE NO SAY is the reason why men need to take more reproductive responsibility.  Once the sperm goes from the man's testes to the woman's body, it's no longer up to him what happens to it.  This is why THE MAN needs to ensure that no sperm ever get into her body in the first place...if he doesn't want kids, this is the ONLY logical choice, rather than insisting that women get their tubes tied in order to prevent pregnancies.  

    Women have an option if a pregnancy occurs, thus, we don't need to protect ourselves by getting our tubes tied--in fact, we really don't need to protect ourselves (from pregnancy, anyway...STDs are another matter) at all since we can ALWAYS opt out.  Men DON'T have any options once a pregnancy happens.  Thus, if anyone is going to get any surgery, it should be the man...do not expect THE WOMAN to get surgery in order to protect YOU from the costs involved in an unwanted pregnancy.  Protect YOURSELF.  

    Also, other reasons why vasectomy is a better choice than a woman getting her tubes tied have already been mentioned.  But, I'll reiterate anyway:  

    -Vasectomies are safer

    -Vasectomies are less invasive and less complicated

    -Vasectomies are cheaper

    -Vasectomies are reversible

    And here's a few that haven't been mentioned:  

    -Men do not have a biological urge that will kick in later in life, telling them they need to have children

    -In our society, motherhood is an important goal of many women and girls.  Though there are many men who love being fathers, boys and men do not aspire to be fathers as much as women aspire to be mothers.  Think about it...here's an example...what do little boys want to be when they grow up?  Usually they focus on what career they want to have, like doctor, policeman, fireman, etc.  What do little girls want to be when they grow up?  The little girl will usually want to have a career, but she will almost always mention that she wants to have children, whereas little boys generally couldn't care less.  

    For a woman, giving up her potential as a mother is (generally) a much greater sacrifice than a man giving up his potential to be a father...especially considering that vasectomies are REVERSIBLE as mentioned already many times, thus the man's decision is not necessarily permanent, whereas the woman's almost certainly is.

  13. There is no such thing as a tubectomy.   First of all the tubes are called salpinges / salpinx or fallopian tube.   Removal of one is called a salpingectomy.   A tubal ligation is performed in many different ways, but generally they are not removed unless there is disease present.  Plenty of women get tubal ligations- but it is an invasive surgical procedure requiring general anesthetic for the woman.  A man can get a vasectomy under local anesthetic.

    Edit: One of my nieces (36, and done with worrying about preventing babies) called me today and told me she got the new (she called it that anyway) 'burr'.  This is supposedly a device inserted in the tube - it creates scar tissue and eventually closes the tube permanently.   It didn't require any anesthetic and the procedure was similar to inserting an IUD.    They have to use birth control for a while and they will do an ultrasound in a few months to see if it closes.   This is a medical study and it was free.

  14. Either represents responsibility.

    A vasectomy take 15min, recovery is 2-5 days.  The cost is about $1000 cash.  There are no lasting effects.

    A tubal ligation takes at least an hour. Recovery is measured in weeks.  The cost is about $4000-$5000.  The surgery requires making incisions though abdominal muscles that my hurt years alter due to scar tissue.

    In this day and age, it is just plain smarter for the man to take an initiative and protect himself financially from the possibility of a paternity suit.

    In light of all this, it is better to "man up" and get the vasectomy.  It sure beats having your pay garnished!

    Don't listen to people that tell you "good luck finding a doctor".  That is so untrue.  The age limit on a vasectomy is 18.

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