Aren't all dogs supposed to be registered with a kennel club of somekind?

Question

I met a breeder who wanted to sell me a pure breed cavalier, but said she wanted to sell me the puppy at a discounted price because he had an under-bite, and apparently because of this 'handicap' he wasn't allowed to be registered, thus making him cheaper. Does this all sound like a load of bullsh*t? I tried to contact the required services to enquire about this but no one is really giving me any feedback. I did not buy the puppy as I felt like the breeder was not being sincere with their intentions.

But is this true? that the kennel club won't allow you to register a dog because of an underbite?

Incidentally, the breeder claims both parents are registered (dame and sire). And the breeder seems to claim to be some sort of champion winner with shows etc.

Thanks

Answer 1

Unless you can see physical proof of her claims (titles, proof on show sites, etc), there is no way I would buy from her.

Breeders don't not-register their dogs because of cosmetic appearances. The under bite won't be listed on the registration paper, so its not really an issue. You can purchase him at a discounted price, but register him later, I personally would.

Most clubs, even those of the highest standards, only require your dog to be a pure bred. Which, sadly, is why dogs that are "teacup" and "teaspoon" can be registered under the original breed.  

Answer 2

Definitely a load.

The most reputable kennel clubs only require that the dog is purebred, and that both parents are registered purebreds as well.  The dog doesn't have to be "perfect;" that's what dog shows are for, to prove which ones are best representatives of their breed.  Perfect or not, it can still be registered.

Answer 3

Any do can be registered if there is proof of the bloodline.  You may not win any shows because it does not meet the "standard" and should not be bred as this lack of standard would probably get passed down.  (Any reputable breeder would never breed a dog that takes away from the standard traits for the breed!)

When a dog is registered, no one comes out to look at your dog.  It is all in the paperwork and dependent on the parents.  If you have the registration numbers/names of the parents, you can confirm with the registering body as well as see what levels they have achieved.

Answer 4

it depends what kennel club it is...I think also that you did the right thing not to get the puppy.The breeder is likely to be hiding something.If you are thinking about it, look on the internet about it.type in on google kennelclub underbite.You come up with loads, its just a matter of going through it!

Answer 5

All dogs are not registerd with a club because all dogs aren't purebreds.  Only purebreds are registered. I can't be positive, but it

sounds like the breeder just doesn't want this dog on her "record" with the kennel because he has some apparent cosmetic imperfections, and, as a breeder she only wants to be known as having bred perfect

specimens.  It's really sad -- probably the best dog in the litter, too.

Maybe you should go back and get him and give him a good home.

Who cares if he's a registered dog.

Answer 6

First good for you for not falling for her scam. It costs money for the breeder to paper the pups, a default is not a reason to not paper the pup if the litter is registered they are all registered the AKC or anyone else doesn't come out to inspect the puppies. She probably doesn't have papers on the parents, I bought a Golden Retriever that was not to breed standard she was registered but I spayed her because of the defect she still is registered I just cannot show her in confirmation shows.

Answer 7

http://www.akc.org/reg/about.cfm

http://legard.homestead.com/files/akc_co...

http://www.breederretriever.com/forums/a...

http://www.continentalkennelclub.com/Rul...

off the CKC site:

"9. All purebred dogs registered with CONTINENTAL KENNEL CLUB must be 'of proper breed type', which is in addition to purebred status. In cases where the 'of proper breed type' standard of a dog is in question, CKC will recognize and act on the results of Photo Enhancement Analysis (PEA) testing to determine if the dog in question is 'of proper breed type'. PEA testing shall be done according to current CKC procedures as set forth by CKC and at the expense of the party contesting or challenging the standard 'of proper breed type' of the dog. Any breeder or owner of any dog(s) registered with CKC who has the standard of his CKC-registered dog(s) challenged as being not 'of proper breed type', shall agree to submit the dog(s) in question to PEA testing according to CKC guidelines at the challenger’s expense. All members of CKC and registration applicants agree to abide by said PEA testing results"

So if its a "fault" its not considered "breed type" I believe. Which means that they may not allow them to register. Each dog usually has to wait till they are 6 months old to get full papers. Normally there's a "litter paper" for each puppy and the owner has to file it later. I don't think she was ripping you off or selling you BS. TRUE breeders will sell "faulted" puppies a lot cheaper so that they get a "pet home" and they are upfront about the faults so no one tries to show them. If they breed them, they know that the faults are there so that becomes your issue. They have to be upfront so people come back and say that they didn't tell you that was a fault

Answer 8

Me and my wife bought a Schipperke from a breeder who showed her dogs. Something was wrong with our Schipperke and we had to promise we wouldn't register and or take her to dog shows?  Best dog I ever owned and cute.

Answer 9

Registries aren't the "breed standard police", they are record keepers. They keep track of family trees (pedigrees), birthdates, etc.

Any puppy who's parents were registered with a reputable registry can also be registered. Doesn't matter if they are the wrong size, wrong color, bad bite, etc.All registration means is the dog is purebred.

So yes, the breeder trying to sell the puppy unregistered because of an under-bite is full of bullhonkey. The puppy can and should still be registered.

I'm not sure if other registries do this, but in the AKC there is such thing as "limited registration" if the breeder doesn't want the offspring of the puppy to be registered (typically, limited registration dogs also come on a spay/neuter contract. limited registration allows the dog to still compete in AKC events like obedience, agility, etc., just not in conformation).

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Answer 10

If they claim the parents are registered then ask for a copy of their papers or proof.  If they are really registered parents, they will have the documentation.  The only problem then is how can you be 100% sure that puppy came from those parents.

Answer 11

It's BS.

Depending on the country you live in and the rules of the registry, any puppy whose parents are registered (unless it's a non-breeding registration), can be registered.

In Canada, it's illegal to sell a dog as purebred without papers.

Probably the breeder either doesn't have registered parents, or the parents have limited (non-breeding) registration and the breeder is violating an agreement they signed, or the breeder is suspended from registering dogs because they've violated some club rules, for example forging papers, not keeping proper records, being convicted of animal cruelty etc.

Answer 12

That would be true, the dog has a problem so the club will not register the puppy, so that when it is breed with other's, it may transfer the problem's to the puppies it has. Its not a law that you have to register every dog.  

Answer 13

No that is not true.  If both the parents are registered than puppies could be registered no matter of what deffect.  With the defect you wouldn't be able to enter it in any shows would be disqualified.  And the breeders claim to be a champion bloodline it was their choice not register this puppy.  I beleive that who ever does get this puppy and wants to register with kennel club can get copies of parents registration and go to kennel association them selves and register it.  I think that the breeder just didn't want to register this pup so it don't show on record that they had a deffective puppy.  

Answer 14

no they lied to you the dog can be registered but would be penalized or disqualified from a show

Answer 15

I'm not sure about the "not allowing" part of being registered.  But I know that a reputable breeder will not allow a dog to be sold if the intentions might be for breeding if it has a defect.  They don't want the defect to be passed on to future generations.  We bought a Black Lab that was registered.  However, she was sold to us at an extremely discounted price because she had a white chest.  A MAJOR fault for the breed.  Her registration papers specified that she could only be sold if she was spayed.  Since we had no intentions of breeding her anyway, this stipulation was not hard to follow and we have a lovely dog.  It is really the breeders "job" to make sure that only the best representation of their breed can be used for breeding in the future.  We also have a pure-bred Shih Tzu who did not come with any papers because he did not meet the breed standard.  Again, we did not intend to use him for breeding, so having him neutered was not problem for us.  

Answer 16

The breeder is right in what they are doing.  Its not that the kennel club won't register it, they will but the breeder is being responsible, they don't want you to breed that puppy because an under bite is a defect in the breed and you won't be able to show the puppy and it shouldn't be bred because it could pass the defect down the line, so alot of breeders won't give out the papers for that reason.

Answer 17

It doesn't matter that breeders have 2 registered dogs.they are breeding inferior animals that may be too close in bloodlines as well.

They should not be breeding these animals AT ALL.

Of course the animal is discounted-they will be lucky to just give it away to a good home & have it sterilized first.

The kennel club doesn't want undesirable traits passed on within the community.A pure doesn't always translate to a healthy well balanced dog physically or with good temperament.

If you are not interested in showing or breeding-who cares about papers?Consider finding a healthy animal you will enjoy as a lifetime companion.

Answer 18

Not all dogs are registered.  First, not all clubs are worth even being registered with.  And for the ones that are...well, not all dogs are purebreds and even then, not all are registered.

I believe the breeder is incorrect in that the dog CAN NOT be registered, but more that she chooses to not have this dog be registered.  And that is okay.  My mom has always purchased "pet quality" danes from her breeder at a lower price.  These dogs (because of some unacceptable variation as with this cav) will never be shown and should never be bred.  For my mother, who wants danes as companions, it really isn't necessary to register those pups.

Did the breeder say that there was a spay/neuter contract with this dog....should be.  What club is she registering dogs with anyway?

Answer 19

It is true that if a puppy has a "fault" that the club won't register him. However, it is not a law that puppies have to be registered with any sort of kennel club. They just need to be registered in the city that you live in. In fact, any dog that is not completely "pure bred" can not be registered through a kennel club. So, if she's offering you the cutie at a reduced price just because of an underbite, I'd definitly take him!

Answer 20

not ALL dogs can be "registered" with kennel clubs, such as mix breeds.  I don't know if a kennel club would refuse to register a dog with a problem or not.   But don't be hacked about it.  Be grateful that she was willing to discount the dog because of the malformation of the mouth.  

Answer 21

No, not all dogs have to be registered. Pure breds get registered to show that they are, in fact, pure bred. That puppy could still be registrered because its parents are pure bred. Pure breds are able to enter dog shows. Since this one had an underbite, it would not be considered up to the breed standard.

For example, my brother in law has a pure bred american eskimo. They can register her, becuase she is pure bred. However, american eskimo dogs usually have black noses. She has a pink one. It's a genetic flaw, and she would never be able to enter big dog shows. She would never be accepted as an example of the breed standard because of that one flaw. Sad, but true.

That appears to be the situation with the puppy you mention.