Aren't the Tories missing the point with their criticism of lads mags? Most British women WANT to be demeaned.

Question

It seems every female celebrity is desperate to be offered a photoshoot for such magazines.

Even middle class intelligent ones such as Carole Vorderman and Chloe Madeley (Richard and Judy's daughter) have recently posed in lads mags.

Unlike most other nations British women have absolutely no shame in being considered a s**t or a 'slag', or in other words, 'up for it'.

That's why you have the highest rates of teen pregnancies and STDs in Europe.

Answer 1

If David 'Call me Dave' Cameron is trying to change the public's perception of the Tories this is not the way to go about it.

Answer 2

It depends how you look at it.  I see these mags as demeaning to men actually.  The women are, as you say quite often intelligent and articulate so they already have that on their side, but men rate them even higher if they also happen to have great **** and long legs!! A bit sad for the men I think and the women are having a laugh at their expense as they have all the power.  I find it quite funny, but that's men and women for you.  It's never a black and white thing....plenty of grey.

Answer 3

Women WANT to be demeaned as much as YOU want a bilateral orchidectomy.

Answer 4

But when you actually look at it its not lads magazines that demean women, its women's magazines that do it themselves.

Look at all the "celebrity" magazines like Heat and Now who all have great joy in pulling women apart, even to go as far as saying that certain female celebrity has a spot or sweat mark not only do we have the great close up of this offending social disgrace, they even put a whacking big circle around it just to intensify the shame of it all.

Also its about the perfect body and the perfect make up and how not to go out anywhere dressed so that your boyfriend will automatically dump you and find some one else

How many of these lads mags are worried about these things it seems these mags appreciate women, albeit they are scantily clad but some even encourage ordinary women to become cover models and does not put pictures of them up with advice on how they should eat only 1000 calories a day and sort out their cellulite.

So i think that the tory in question may want to have a look at magazines aimed at women before they start criticising "lads mags"

Also i think that the statement that" Most women want to be demeaned" is too much of a generalisation just because you pose scantily clad in a magazine does not make you a slag, that's a label that narrow minded people put on them.

Answer 5

it's absurd to say that women want to be demeaned,of course they don't.

Answer 6

Yes women love this culture and for many young women, stripping in a mag or paper is the only way to gain fame is this culture and people like Katie Price (bless her for keeping blind Harvey safe though) and Jodie Marsh are the only idols for women. I would agree all this s*x contributes to teen pregnancy and STDs.

With regard to the Tories, a right wing party supposedly believes in personal responsibility to avoid social ills, yet Cameron is going to the Labour way with blaming other factors.

This p**n demeans women and men using it because it reduces s*x to an exploitive psysical act with no emotion involved.

Unfortunately this coarse sexuality is considered the best in this culture.

No idea what to do about it.

Answer 7

what? i think you need to meet a better class of woman

Answer 8

do most women who want to be demeaned include your mother your sister and daughter

thought not

Answer 9

I think womens mags are the evil of this country and are far worse.

you're not a proper woman unless you're a size zero, are having this much s*x, can afford to shop here and numerous other things. These are the ones that are putting a negative image on women.

Answer 10

This is precisely why they have raised the point and I agree. Whilst women think they are moving towards equality they do realise that they can't do this whilst they still focus all their time and attention on flaunting themselves to get an alpha-male.

Answer 11

The Tories just want to keep themselves in the media as much as possible.  Thus, to this end they grab hold of any story and shove their oar in where it's not wanted.

In my opinion, what the Tories are doing is playing with fire.  What young men read is entirely their business.

Are the Tories now going to censor what people can read?  Because it very much looks like it to me.

Think the Cameron crowd should get off this one as soon as possible.  It may already have cost them hundreds of thousands of votes.

Answer 12

Actually, no.

Britain has a unique and rather unfortunate history when it comes to social change since the post war years.

Rather than re-writing the rules to be more appropriate for the modern times it is the British culture simply to discard the rules and to let people find their own path.

Unfortunately it has also been the policy of successive British administrations to discourage any form of judgment from being given during this path finding process in case the judgment offends or restricts people (For example, it is the British way not to say that it is undesirable for an unmarried teenage girl to get pregnant in case it offends unmarried teenage mothers). This generally leads to a discarding of morals and a near prohibition on figures of authority (such as teachers and social role models) offering any advice other than "make up your own mind".

The end result of this is that British society tends to change rapidly and without control or guidance. People discard the old social rules and sink to the lowest level, then gradually work their way back up to a more sustainable level. What you are witnessing right now is the culmination of this removal of rules.

To put this in the current context. Teenage girls in the UK are no longer told that public drunkenness is unacceptable, that teenage pregnancy is unacceptable or that yobbish behavior is unacceptable, in case it offends pregnant yobbish drunken girls. They are simply told to find their own level.

In the past this system has usually lead to peaks and troughs, and has worked itself out. Unfortunately, at this time the British media has found that it is very profitable to sell to this lawless market and so carries its image constantly.

Seeing this image in the media around them, young Britains come to the false belief that this trough is the norm. They behave in this manner and the media displays image of this behavior, then they see this behavior in the media and they ape it. It becomes a self perpetuating cycle.

In short, British girls no longer see such behavior as being unacceptable because they are not being told otherwise. The media isn't telling them otherwise because the media is cashing in, and the state isn't telling them otherwise because the state is afraid of offending them by telling them that their behavior is unacceptable. And because they are not being told that this behavior is unacceptable, they continue.

As for STD, this too is linked to the above. It is the policy of the British government not to offend or upset people with STD. Schools and the government constantly say that there is no shame n having and STD and that you can live a perfectly normal life with Herpes and so on, so people think that it is no big deal, so they don't take precautions.

Answer 13

Most young girls seem to want to be a wag where they do nothing but sleep with a  footballer or another rich man thick enough to want a chavy orange tart, and then sell stories about him with pictures of them half naked, and the others who don't meet a footballer end up as a single mother living off the state, as not many men want to hang around when they can get s*x after a drink in a club. That about sums up most of our society. As a woman I can't stand woman's magazines because they're full of those types.

Answer 14

Apparently modern feminism says that it is somehow 'empowering' to pose for such magazines.

However, Chloe Madelely's recent shoot attracted readers' online responses such as "She's a munter, just like her mum".

Empowering?

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Edit

Not to mention that such photos are often surrounded by text suggesting that women are worthy of little more than sexual interest.

Answer 15

You are talking absolute rubbish, to put it mildly.  You see one drunk woman on the telly and assume we are all like that?

I would personally never pose for a 'lads mag'. I'd tell them where to go, though.

Answer 16

your question suggests that middle class intelligent women are less likely to be slappers, you need only look to the royal family to understand that your place in society does not provide your moral integrity

Answer 17

It depends on the woman. My sister and I certainly do not like to be put in the same category, thank you very much mate! Each to their own but if a man poses for a mag or sleeps with 100 women or men (depending on sexuality) then he is a stud. Yet if a woman does it then she is a slag, a w***e and the rest. I feel it is still a man's world so if women can do what they do, so be it. It doesn't make them any less or more human. I just don't want it shoved in my face because when I go to the Newsagents, I would prefer to see covers of naked men not naked women. Yet these mags are put out for the whole world to see, it's always double standards. You can't blame teen pregnancies and STDs on that because other countries have similar mags and programmes, in fact some countries in Europe do not censor so much as the UK. It's just that some people do not know how to use contraception!

Answer 18

Well done, a good point, well put.

Answer 19

There are women out there who DON'T want to be demeaned.  I'm one of them.  The second part of your statement is NOT TRUE!!!