As far as cleaned the ice, i mean that it was real choppy and if there was a divit or something that caused?

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her fall she would have never seen it because of all the ice shavings from other blades. I'm not out to get rich and I certainly wouldnt sue just to do it, but this is a place that they advertise for you to come and bring your kids, its free to skate, you just pay for skates, and according to them they have no liability insurance. I didn't know that skating was so dangerous and had I known I would have never taken my baby girl. It just really sucks because she wasn't able to play basketball this year, she had to quit dance, she may not be ready for softball season and she cant go to school. Her classrooms are on the second floor (no elevator)and the Doc said no steps on crutches. She cant even take a shower or a bath because of this cast. She cant sleep in he room because of the steps. People fall and get hurt all the time, I know this, but how many fall and break there "tiba" and end up in this mess.

Answer 1

I already gave my answer in the other question, but I'll say it myself: I've had my fair of injuries from my sport, but I accept the risks and continue doing them.

I've subluxated my right knee twice where the knee twisted up to 180° backwards and then snapped back into position automatically and never bothered to get medical treatment for it, I just rehabilitated it and save for some pain every now and then when I'm not doing any exercise, nothing serious to quit my sport. I even fell once on an outside edge forward counter step and the concussion was strong enough to leave me unconscious briefly. I won't even mention the tons of times I've hit my right knee really hard on falls. And this is singles skating which is the safest discipline I'm talking about.

Fortunately I've never experienced what a Waxel fall feels like (though once I was pretty close to find out).

Tibia fractures in children are amazingly common. I've known dozens of people that had them, got a cast, 8 weeks later good as new. It's amazing I've never broken a bone myself because my bones are so amazingly thin looking (I've had doctors laugh at how I have the bones of a child a LOT). It's just bad luck I guess that some people with one slight thing breaks a bone and I have a car door smash my fingers at full speed with no fracture.

Exercise causes your bones to harden though. If your daughter did more exercise, her bones will harden more and more as a defense mechanism and she probably won't fracture herself again.

As for the dangers of skating and not taking her anywhere, I'll be frank and say I find riding in a car to be one of the most dangerous things ever. Cars are death chambers, half of the young people I know have been in a car crash serious enough for them to need to wear a neck collar. Car crashes are one of the most common causes of serious injuries and death in the world. Better buy a bike or a private jet which are far safer.

Answer 2

You seem to be asking if the fall itself was unusual.  Ice is slippery, and you can potentially go faster than just running in shoes on regular ground.  Skate blades are meant to make you go faster.  It's plausible that she got hurt worse than just "from a fall" (from your previous question) because you have to factor in speed and momentum.  

In general, people definitely do get injured from ice skating.  I've seen kids get their fingers run over.  The most common injury from a fall I've personally seen is conking their heads (especially backwards) which is why they recommend helmets when they're beginners.  Broken or sprained wrists are another common injury.  A lady at my rink, who is an experienced figure skater, slipped when she was getting off the ice and broke her hip.  

A rut in the ice is very common, and it doesn't normally cause a fall - you have to hit it just right with your toepick or the back of your blade.  It doesn't make you fall every time you skate over one, only if you hit it the wrong way. If someone makes a hole in the ice (figure skaters do this every time they do a big toe-assisted jump) it's not cause for a well-maintained rink to clear everyone off the ice and re-surface.   They'd have to resurface dozens of times per hour! It's just that common.

I feel for you, but I'm afraid you're not going to get the answer you want here.  Your only hope would be that they paid up without a fight - but there was no reason for them to do that, because although it's very unfortunate and sounds like a worse injury than your usual daily rink injury, they don't promise a pristine surface 100% of the time.  You can pursue it with a lawyer, but I don't think you'll have a case.  Good luck - it's too bad about all of your daughter's activities.

Answer 3

as far as i know, no rink will pay for medical bills, skating is a dangerous sport, alot of ppl like to fool around on the ice but thy dont notice its dangerous, ive seen ppl break noses, get concussions, and ive even seen a stretcher come on the ice. but what was ur daughter doing? cut ice ( clean ice) is probably more dangerous as it is more slippery, unless ur daughter wer doing spins, i dont know how she cud have fallen that badly, was she with friends? mb thy were playing around and she fell.  most rinks dont pay for bills as it wud cost too much with how many ppl get hurt daily. im sorry about ur daughter but she'll get better and u cant put the blame on the rink.

Answer 4

Most rinks resurface their ice at regular intervals. In between those times, the ice can get choppy and have a lot of shavings on the surface, especially during a public skate, where there tend to be a lot of skaters, most of whom aren't skating with any particular level of skill.

Your daughter's injury is unusual in its severity, but it's not unheard of. I've actually seen elite level skaters, skating on nearly pristine ice, get their blade caught in a rut or similar and break their ankle in their skate boot - not so easy to do, but they caught and twisted so severely, and at speed. Even at rinks which pay great care to the condition of their ice, a resurfacing doesn't always fully get rid of prior ruts.

In general, you'd expect that the rink would have done resurfacings at regular intervals, and with some standard of care. If they did not, you may have something to talk about. But even if they had done, that does not guarantee a pristine ice surface, and once skaters get out there, ruts and shavings and etc. will occur.

You certainly can speak to a lawyer on this, and since you're so upset, I suggest that you make that your next step. For peace of mind if nothing else, it's worth the conversation. But it's possible that the case won't go anywhere, so be prepared for that.

Answer 5

I believe most rinks usually have a "skate at your own risk" policy.  There isn't a lot they can do to prevent ruts and holes in the ice.  They're caused by public skaters (who sometimes think it's cool to chip holes in the ice), hockey usage and figure skater usage.  One or two resurfaces will not necessarily smooth them out either.  If you were to go after them to pay medical bills, it would be a civil issue, probably requiring an attorney....which can also be expensive.  There are a lot of rinks that have free open skating from time to time and only charge for skate rentals.  Skating can be dangerous, but it is also like anything else....accidents happen.  She could have fallen and hurt herself just walking down the sidewalk.