Australia's coldest summer in 50 years, US's coldest winter in 50 years?

Question

Australia ending its coldest summer in the last 50 years, with not a single day getting warmer than 88 degF.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=ae6GlcvBtldY&refer=home

The US and China are in the mists of killer cold and snow. The worst in 50 years.

Just 6 months ago we were being told that the melting ice caps would cause a positive feedback causing the Earth to get warmer, and this would cause the permafrost to thaw releasing tons of methane gas which would cause the Earth to get warmer.

How did the climatologist get things so wrong?

Should we put the theory of global warming on hold until scientist work out the bugs?

Answer 1

Some of it's just a very strong La Nina - but I guess that's the point, isn't it - if you don't understand regional multi-month phenomena then how can you declare you know what's going on with multi-century phenomena?

Answer 2

take it  in the  ..loooooong run..not  season to season....

50 yrs ago the ice cap in the north came within 40 kms of Canadas northern most limite!

Today.. that  sameice cap  comes only with in  250 kms. of that  same point!!!

Answer 3

threeseriesftw, that website had me ROTFLMAO. I nave never seen that level of ignorance publicly displayed. The science is 100% wrong.

That was a joke, right?

(Sorry Dr Jello, didn't answer your questoin.)

Answer 4

Well, this has a lot to do with the La Nina, but it also has to do with global warming. The earth's weather is really determined by the oceans, the air gets it's temperature from there. If it is getting warmer, and melting ice in to the ocean, the oceans temperatures will go down, making the temperatures of the world go down, or just be drastically different, and weird. This is just my idea, take it or leave it.

Answer 5

And Sweden's warmest winter ever measured...

Answer 6

February was generally cool, although averaged over the country as a whole February wasn't as cool as January was hot.

   The west coast of Western Australia and central and southern Northern Territory were warmer than normal last month.

   The Australian average summer temperature was 0.16 of a degree above normal, which ranks 22nd out of 58. Daytime maxima were 0.14 of a degree below normal and overnight minimum 0.45 of a degree above normal.

    No conclusions on climate change could be drawn from one month in one country.

     What you need to be looking at is trends over a much longer period of time and preferably trends over a wider area.

    But just focusing on Australia, we have seen a consistently upward trend in temperature over the past 50 to 100 years.

Answer 7

The article you linked said that Syndney is having a cold summer, not Australia.

Even you can't believe that one city that has some extra rain due to a la nina effect is a marker of global climate.  Can you?

Answer 8

It's nothing unusual, it's happened before.  Weather factors can overcome global warming for a short time.  It happened in 1982, 1991-1992, 1999-2000.  EVERY TIME global warming came back stronger than ever.  Proof.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/

discussed in detail, with confirmation, at:

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/g...

As long as we keep making greenhouse gases in enormous amounts, global warming will dominate in the long run.  It's simple physics.

http://earthguide.ucsd.edu/earthguide/di...

Thanks for continuing to challenge me on this.  I was getting frustrated because you kept repeating the same incorrect argument, but you made me come up with a better answer.

Answer 9

Into the fire: Last month hottest January so far

http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/i...

"The average temperature across the country rose 1.3 degrees last month, but large areas, especially in the Pilbara in Western Australia and in Central Australia, recorded temperatures three to four degrees above average."

"We just continue to get a stream of these records being broken," said Dr Jones, who has analysed Australia's rising temperature going back almost 60 years.

Answer 10

What we should do is stop ignoring all the evidence that says there is no global climate crisis and look at all the data collectively.  I blame the media and politicians that are both out with their own agendas.  Most of the general public believe what they are told from the news and government officials.  The problem is, these people are sometimes unknowingly, and many times, deliberately excluding information that would directly contradict the argument for global warming.  When they do that, and when it's done enough, people begin to believe it as true because it's pounded into their heads over and over.  Climatologists got this so wrong because every time they try to come to a conclusion, it's oversimplified.  Earth is an extremely complex system that has so many different pieces, we will probably never even understand half of the reasons why it does what it does.  The problem with all the models that allegedly tell us we're headed for global disaster is that they are created to work in a vacuum.  They don't take into account solar radiation, rotation of the earth or countless other factors.  People are basing these so-called facts on junk science. People should just realize that earth is very fluid and there have been, and will be sudden changes in it's behavior.  Not even 1000 years ago there was a warm period for a few hundred years when Vikings were growing crops on Greenland, what today is one massive ice sheet.  Let's stop the hysteria, because all it's doing is causing unecessary regulation and mandates our government is imposing upon us and essentially draining us of even more of our own money while limiting choices in what is supposed to be a free market system.

Answer 11

Global warming isn't real.

The earth's climate has always gone in cycles.

This is a estimated climate chart from the past 400000 years.

http://seoblackhat.com/images/co2-vs-tem...

We only have concrete evidence from he past few hundred years or so, which is not enough to make conclusions.  Based on the charts from the past 200 years or so, yes, the climate has steadily gone up.  So are we assuming in previous years the climate was lower? and lower? and lower? and.... then what?  The earth is BILLIONS of years old.  Not 200.  Just because the temperature has gone up in the past couple hundred years is not enough to conclude that it will continue rising and that this is not normal.  It IS normal. The climate goes in cycles.

Oh, and by the way, here's the past 20 years:

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/7390_...

Answer 12

Why is cold weather called a "phenomena" now?  You could say that extreme warm temps are also a phenomena.

The brainwashing is so bad that I bet people would blame an ice age on global warming if it happened.