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Lord Frederick is the son of the second son of the late Duke of Kent and he can be called "Lord", but Albert is the son of the second son of the current Duke of Kent. He cannot be called "Lord". Why is this?

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  1. Ummm....he  COULD be called "Lord" as a 'courtesy title'.

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  2. Albert is the son of a "Lord" and grandson of "Duke of Kent" while Lord Frederick is the only son of "Prince of Kent." The Lord Frederick Michael George David Louis Windsor (born 6 April 1979) is an English financial analyst who is the only son of Prince and Princess Michael of Kent, and he inherited the title "Lord Windsor."

    In addition, Albert was not given a title as only the first male-born heir will inherit its family titles. His father is the youngest son, while his uncle George, Earl of St Andrews is the eldest son of Duke of Kent. The title is a subsidiary title of his father, and Lord St Andrews holds it by courtesy as heir apparent to the Dukedom of Kent. He have three children: Lord Downpatrick, Lady Marina-Charlotte Windsor, and Lady Amelia Windsor.

    Albert Windsor (born 22 September 2007) is the only son and child of Lord Nicholas Windsor, the second son and youngest child of the Duke and Duchess of Kent, and his wife, Paola Doimi de Frankopan. He was named after his ancestor, Albert, Prince Consort. Albert is the eighth grandchild for the Duke and Duchess of Kent. Albert is the first direct male line descendant of George V to bear the surname Windsor but no courtesy title. He is also currently 26th in the line of Succession to the British Throne, and should he be baptised a Roman Catholic, as is likely, he will lose his place, though he will still be in the line of succession to the Kent Dukedom, which is not regulated by the Act of Settlement.

  3. Because the rules on naming have changed, normally he would have had the courtesy Lord. In the same vein from now onwards the only people who will ever be accorded the title HRH are those who are children of the sovereign (or children of the heir to the throne, etc) e.g Prince William's children will be HRH (as he is in the DIRECT line of succession), Prince Harry's won't unless William has no children and Harry becomes King. Those currently with the title HRH will not lose it though. The next person to be born HRH will be Williams's children.

  4. Because Lord is a title bestowed upon you for actions, not a birthright.

  5. Because of the debacle of failed marriages,the request to pay taxes,the parring down of the Civil List that took place in the 1990's, the Queen has taken measures to lessen the numbers of royals in the family;her children's children still carry titles down the line,but other family members are following the regular aristocratic primogenitor laws,where the eldest son inherits all.Usually, the parent is possessor of more than one title: he or she may be Duke of Something and Marchioness of Something else and Earl of Another thing, so his eldest son would adopt the lesser title of Marchioness until the Dukedom is inherited. Younger sons just carry the the courtesy title of Lord or Sir,but that's all.But Wikipedia says:"Lord and Lady Nicholas Windsor had their first child, a son, Albert, on 22 September 2007 at the Chelsea and Westminster Hospital, London. Albert, and any future children they have will not be titled, and will only carry the Windsor surname, and the postnomial title of esquire, the first for a direct male line descendant of George V. At birth Albert was 26th in the line of succession and is also in the line of succession to the Kent Dukedom."So,unless he inherits the Dukedom,he won't carry a  title. I suspect that this is because his father is a younger son who carries the courtesy title that isnot hereditary.
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