Can I get a opinion of creationist on evolution?

Question

I got this message of a guy on u tube this morning

There is loads of evidence that we evolved from a common ape ancestor that we share with Chimps and Gorillas etc. There is genetic evidence and fossil evidence. But you don't care for evidence.

As you have said, you only accept science to a degree, because a lot of it contradicts what your holy book says (Which is the parts you throw out I presume).

Your holy book was written when humans were even more ignorant then they are now, when they actually thought that; the Sun went around the planet and that the planet is only 6,000 years old etc.

Science is evidenced based. The overwhelming evidence shows that we are products of evolution, and we share a common ape ancestor with chimps and gorillas etc.

do you think he has a point

Answer 1

In a way Jay M has it right, the story of the creation is from the bible and it is not in the realm of science at all.  So it should have nothing to do with the theory of evolution and has no place being taught as an alternative to the evolution theory in classrooms.  Its place is in a religious study class.

The person sending you a message also has it right, there's too much evidence that backs up the theory of evolution, most of it ignored by these science wannabes calling themselves creationists.

I'm a Catholic myself, and I practice my religion by my actions.  I don't take the bible as factual, it's a compilation of tales and advices.  The good ones you take the bad ones you set aside.  It's a very old book, so some of the advice no longer apply to us in the 21st century.  You can't take a 3000 year old book word for word.  Doing that you're no different than these lunatics in the middle east blowing themselves up.

Cliff Harris, regarding your beef with the written language.  When written language is required and conditions allowed it to come into being, then men created it.  Early men had no use for written language, their communities were small, they'd be better off spending the time hunting for food to survive than sit around to invent writing.  They don't have that luxury.  It's wasn't until much later when they have the luxury to sit around and think that they invented written language.

And Cliff, you need to learn your history better.  The Holy Roman Empire, has nothing to do with the Roman Empire.  The HRE is a conglomeration of Germanic tribes formed around the year 900AD, long after the fall of Rome.

Again to Cliff, what's with the bit about being Asexual?  What is the advantage of that?  We impregnate ourselves so we multiply faster, then what?  We'd destroy the earth with overpopulation.  Evolution will steer a species to better adapt to their environment.  You don't see monkeys evolving  in the past 14000 years because they don't need to.  They're already well adapted to their environment.  Besides if they do evolve they won't evolve into us, they'd evolve into something else.

Answer 2

Science is a method by which we come to understand our surroundings.  Over the years, the accepted view of the universe changes.  Our current view is very different to the view about 3,000 years ago when the earliest books of the Bible were written - and they were an allegory rather than a scientific treatise.

It is one of the great injustices of this world that a small American sect should bring religion into disrepute by promoting the so-called creationist theory.  It has no basis in science, observation or Christianity.  Because of this, many people are turned away from the central message of Christianity.

The vast majority of the world's Christians are quite open to the ideas of evolution.  After all, Darwin was a Christian.  Obviously science comes and science goes and Darwin's theories are now somewhat passé.  So we now have one group of idiots who passionately believe in the stories of the origins of the universe based on a 3,000 year old book. and another with a 150 year old book.  We need to move on.

Answer 3

OK I'm a Christian so here goes, first off if evolution were real, and natural selection was indeed favored, we'd all be "asexual" meaning we would have evolved where we could impregnate ourselves. like some insects do.

The earth was created at a mature age, the Bible speaks of things created at a mature age many times like when Jesus turned the water into wine which is a matured grape juice and many other accounts which was recorded thousands of years before evolution was even thought of.

When you see similarities in species, it is simply evidence of the same architect. For example you can see similiar town houses in one part of the city as you see in another because they have the same architect. likewise in species.

you are aware what philosophy is I'd think, but you are not understanding what the theory of evolution is. It is natural philosophy creatively twisted around the scientific method. That is all natural science is.

If man is millions of years old, why is the oldest written language less then 14,000 years old? scientists have to go over the edge to even stretch it to 14,000 years old. And any psychologist will tell you it does not take even 1,000 years for man to create a written language.

Next the if evolution theory is an ongoing process, and no monkeys have turned into humans in the past 14,000 years. After all according to the the theory of evolution, evolution doesn't stop.

The terms Microevolution and Macroevolution are 2 completely different terms. micro says there are small changes in a species but not ever enough to create a new species,and macro is the darwinian concept. and again, if Evolution were real, and natural selection was indeed favored, we'd all be Asexual meaning we would have evolved where we could impregnate ourselves.

Plus there is the cambrian explosion that darwin says was fatal to his theory if it is proven to be true, but in his time they did not have the technology available to them as we do. if he had he would have stopped his theory on evolution on the spot The cambrian explosion is a layer of the earth where all the supposed species that evolved from each other were created and existing at the same time. in the 1980's this was fully researched and proved that species did not evolve from eachother or anything else, and instead simply "appeared" there out of no where. While this discovery was completely today darwin... about 200 years ago he just put something like "if the cambrian explosion is proven to be true, it will be fatal to my theory on evolution"

Plus a scientist named Michael Behe made an excellent point which is that the human cell could not have possibly evolved because it has something called Irriducible Complexity look it up it's really interesting.

Plus even the scientists with 30 degrees in science cannot explain how the very first cell evolved. ok there are some of the reasons :)

Next the Bible has over 1,000 prophesies that have been fulfilled exactly as written. Even about today where the Israelites have become a nation in 1948 and the people who will be terrorists and known all over the world and despised as such all over the world. in Jeremiah 24. If you were to give a false prophet the task of prophesying over 1,000 events that will take place over 2,000 years from now, and they all have to be things that they could only know if God told them, there is no possible way they would get anywhere near 1,000/1,000 right. not even half that. But the Bible gets 1,000/1,000 right every time.

More evidence is that Jesus Christ was crucified and killed by the romans who hated His entire people, and then less then 400 years later, Rome became known as the Holy Roman Empire and every knee in Rome fell to the floor to worship Him for over 1,000 years. as Rome became known as the Holy Roman Empire.

Another is that since science can't bring any real evidence as to how the very first cell evolved/formed, how can you let anyone tell you there is no God? given the complex structure of the entire universe and properties of time and space it is a fact that man does not even know 100,000,000,000,000 to the 100,000,000,000,000th power of anything in the universe, and for someone to tell you there is  no God with certainty, they would have to first know AT LEAST 100,000,000,000,000 to the 100,000,000,000,000 power of everything in the universe.

The the most brilliant scientist in the world can't even figure out how the very first cell was formed. every scientist with a theory on how it was formed has a huge number of other scientists with concrete evidence proving it can't be.

Anyway God loves you, you can quit running from Him. The fact is that God wants a family, and that is why He created us. When you look around the universe and see the billions of laws in effect that govern Gravity, Physics, Time and Space,, Colors, shapes, Sounds, etc you'll realize that with all of this a chaotic event occurring is a complete impossibility, And God who created you to be with Him. truly loves you and wants to have a relationship with you. He offers you

If you have some questions as to the accuracy of the Old testament Bible, it was kept in oral transmission meaning thousands of Hebeews reciting all of the Bible all day everyday creating an incorruptible device where if one failed the others of the thousands would correct them. Then while still maintaining oral transmission it was also recorded onto Scrolls, and later the first book called the Codex. A disovery in the 1970's AD from the dead sea in the Middle East was a copy of the Old Testament from 300 BC called the Dead Sea Scrolls which line right up and verifify the authenticity of the the Old Testament we have today.

And then we have the New Testament  which has thousands and thousands and thousands of copies from Jesus's time to today, as well as carefully written out and detailed government records of what Christians believed what they did, and how they worshipped. Not by the one's who liked Christians, but by the ones who were persicuting Christians for not bowing to their emporers and kings.  Which verify every Word in the New Testament. Plus we have enough quotations and letters of the Early Church Diciples to write every Word of the New Testament.

And then we have the great point as to, If you were to live your life EXACTLY as Jesus Christ says, what would your life be like? It'd be completely awesome :)

And then we have the Church in India founded by the Apostle Thomas in like AD 37 just a few years after Jesus was Crucified that is still there today.

The conclusion of all of this is, evolution is impossible. and the Bible is true.

God loves you so much, And He offers His Gift of eternal life and Salvation freely. To Recieve it To become a Christian, confess to God "Lord I confess to I am a sinner and I have willfully broken your laws" then ask Jesus to come into your life and save you from your sins. "Jesus I thank you for dying in my place, please come into my life and save me from my sins and guide me all the rest of my days." and then ask for God's forgiveness, "Father in Jesus's name I ask you to please forgive me for all of my sins and thank you for saving me, Amen." And then go to a good church in your area or call around and find a pastor at a church and tell them you just became a part of God's family, and ask the pastor to help you get baptised. Baptism is a sign that we have recieved God's forgiveness and are part of His family. I welcome whoever just prayed this to God's family :)

- With much love, Cliff Harris

Answer 4

Creationism is highly based on the Bible.  If Evolution was all true why are Primates not evloving into humans today. Alot of people will say, " I don't believe in that c**p their is no evidence or proof that God exist or the Bible is myth." That is so untrue. Just look around you your telling me all the intricacies of nature just one day appeared out of thin air. The idea of no proof because we cannot see it is full of holes as well. Think about a real simple idea. We cannot see air, yet we breath it everyday or we would die. Well one could assume or say i do not believe in air because i cannot see it. Well genius how are you breathing. Faith is the idea of believing without seeing. Creationism in a big respect is full of faith. Evolution is only fact. No room for interpitation or mystery. I have way to much faith to believe in evolution. God created this universe no doubt in my mind. I don't know about you, but saying this beautiful world was an accident is just plain unintelligible.

Answer 5

You won't get any logical repsonse from creationists apart from "it's true because science can't explain everything and god can"- which is meaningless nonesense.

To Old Know all:

how can christians believe some parts of their religion and not others... You can't just take the parts that are proven wrong and pretend they don't exist.

You either believe the religion as a whole (ie g**s are evil and noah's aark was real and we don't evolve), or you accept that it's all made up.

Edit: to all the other people who answered with things like "why don't monkies all evolve into humans?"- I recommend the following article... http://www.creationtheory.org/Essays/Int...

Answer 6

Everything has an obvious design to it. Therefore must have had a designer. I mean imagine if you got all the bricks and wood and nails and cement etc to make a house and then instead of getting an architect and builder you just threw all the parts together and hoped they would come together to make a house? That would be silly right?  Just like saying all these random molecules just happened to come together to make the planet and the people and animals and everything/ It all just happened? I find that a little unlikely,