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Can a diabetic that takes insulin really be a true vegan?

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Can a diabetic that takes insulin really be a true vegan?

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  1. Absolutely but you must avoid "natural" insulin. This type is manufactured using highly purified animal pancreas extracts.

    Most human insulin is manufactured through recombinant DNA. The gene for making insulin is transferred to a simple cell such as bacteria or baker's yeast. NO animal products are used.


  2. Of course.

    It can also help one get off of insulin.

    That's right, a diabetic can actually get themselves off of that c**p that they tell people they have to take for the rest of their life.  It's all just a scam.  Diabetes is BIG money and they milk people for all they are worth.  Unfortunately, once a person starts using insulin injections, the body says, "Hey, insulin is coming from somewhere, so we can stop producing it ourselves."  The injections actually make things worse.  It's not about the body not producing enough insulin, it's about the body being unable to absorb enough insulin.  The person's body is totally out of whack and off balance usually due to a very bad diet and lifestyle.  It's not genetic as the docs would have you believe.  They also like to brainwash people into following ridiculous diets that are designed to keep them diabetic; not designed to reverse the problem.  Nope, they want diabetics to stay diabetic, but of course they don't want them to die, because their source of money would also die.  My sister is a life long diabetic and I've done and lot of research over the years on the subject.  Of course she refuses to listen to me or even read what I've read etc. or even meet people that I've met who have totally gotten rid of their diabetes.  Type one and Type two and whatever other types there are... all caused by the same thing, poor diet and lifestyle causing poor absorption and poor health of organs including the pancreas. Certainly, the mother's poor diet and lifestyle can contribute to such in the child, and thus the mother will raise the child with the same poor diet and lifestyle, and thus people say, "See, it's genetic.  Their mother and father had it, now they have it. See genetic."  Purely moronic.

    You will also find that non-sugar sweeteners contribute to diabetes because the tongue tastes something sweet, expects sugar to come into the system, prepares by producing insulin, then guess what... no sugar comes in.  This throws things all out of whack... suddenly the body has to get rid of this excess insulin somehow.  And the body learns that when something sweet is tasted, there is actually no sugar coming in, so it doesn't prepare.  So, when the person actually does eat something that is sweetened with sugar, the body is not prepared, and "Holly c**p, a huge amount of sugar just came in, quick produce insulin!!" but it's too late, blood sugars rise, and well, as you can see, it's not a good thing.

    Anyway, not one diabetic I've ever met was actually eating well and living a pretty good lifestyle.

    There was a great book in the 1980s about reversing diabetes, but I've been unable to find it anymore.  There is a similar one by Dr Neal Bernard

    http://www.nealbarnard.org/diabetes_book...

  3. yes , insulin is rarely animal derived now a days, it is synthetic

  4. Yes they can and they would. There is no ethical dilemma here.

    Veganism means doing all you can and the best you can to minimise your personal contribution to animal suffering and exploitation as far as is reasonably and practically possible.

    It does not mean being a martyr, and risking your health and your life is not required.

    I'm vegan and I owe my life to drugs which had, by law, been tested on animals and some of which, no doubt, contained some animal by-products. I still take an animal tested drug  that contains lactose daily.

    None of this makes me any less of a vegan - not by the definition of the man who coined the word, anyway.

    As far as is possible I avoid using animal products in all I do; risking my own life would have been stupid, not vegan.

    So a vegan diabetic should take whatever is medically necessary to save their health and their life.

    Anyone who says otherwise has never been in a life-threatening situation

  5. Yes.

  6. I hate seeing the words "true vegan" used together.

    All drugs, including synthetic insulin, were tested on animals to get government approval.

  7. I'm sure the answer would be yes.. after all you wouldn't want to make a hypocrite out of Karen Sweetland (and PETA itself),  PETA senior vice president who takes insulin a medicine obtained through animal research..

    if you ask about ans AIDS drug though, PETA would be against that.. unless of course Ingrid or any other PETA boss gets AIDS... it would be okay then

    While I recognize the importance of medical research, I also recognize the fact that some research done on animals as totally unnecessary. These are the research done for the make-up  or vanity products industry.

  8. Whenever someone types the word "true" before the word "vegan" I can immediately sense that they have no idea what they're talking about.

    Being vegan does not mean you need to let yourself die. Death is not an option. That would tell people that if you're vegan, animals are more important than any human life, even their own life. Would their be any point to that? It doesn't sound like a recipe for progress.

  9. It would seem to me to be an ethical problem.

  10. Yes. Absolutely. As a matter of fact a vegan diet would be great for a diabetic. You have to check with your food charts and make sure you don't get too much fruit, especially oranges, but the rest is great.

  11. Yes, unless there is an alternative treatment.

  12. I am a former chef and a Diabetic, non-insulin dependent, and since becoming a lacto-ovo vegetarian I have been able to boost my immune system, lower my blood sugar readings and lose 30 pounds, a vegan could possibly if with the right diet benefit even more.

    With a diabetic diet, carbs are the big thing along with fats, so a non animal fat or meat based diet is a big help, I use alot of soya product and limit my dairy to yougart, buttermilk and some non rennet cheeses, as for egg only egg whites or protein powder, I have tried the substitutes there o.k.

    I see a dietetican and work with her to plan and modify my diet, and as a former chef, I have not food phobias or dislikes so it is easier for me, a vegan must be able to subsist on all veg it can be done but the protein is what creates natural insulin to drive the body, that is what can be difficult at times even for me.

  13. yes, im sure if you put your mind to it and do some research, you'll be a vegan  in no time.

  14. As others have already pointed out - all insulin is not animal based.

    Was the treatment that discovered such breakthrough insights into the treatment of diabetics by animal testing?  Yes.

    When it comes to life and death situations - one must or should choose life.  Respect for all life is part of what vegans are suppose to stand for.  

    As already pointed out by another - I also am not in favor of some of the animal testing that has been done.  But I also am not totally against animal testing.  For those that are - they never have had a family member die from cancer, AIDS, TB, COPD, etc. etc. etc. - all the way to those that have passed because of being diabetic.

    It is time for mankind to have compassion for mankind as well animals and the planet as a whole.  No one can help anyone or bring about effective change if they are dead.

    It is questions like this that make me even more confirmed in my belief that if a title means more than life - time to forgo the title and be true to yourself and keep yourself as healthy as you possibly can.

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