Can a woman wearing make-up and dressing attractively and a man groping a woman be compared?

Question

In 'If Men Have All The Power How Come Women Make The Rules' Jack Kammer appears to imply that women wearing make-up and dressing attractively constitutes 'high-volume sexual harassment' and can legitimately be compared with unwanted male sexual advances. Is this a fair comparison?

He goes on to imply that men's harassment is actually not as bad because it affects less women. I'd be interested what women who have been genuinely sexually harassed think of THAT. No wonder some men here seem to think it's acceptable behaviour.

http://www.deltabravo.net/files/ifmenhav.pdf

Answer 1

It takes up time for a half - hour event !!!

Answer 2

You're mixing up examples to try to prove your point.  I glanced at the article and would love it if  you'd show me EXACTLY where he said that.  I didn't see it at all.  Liar.

Answer 3

It sounds like the Middle Ages all over again, with the hysterical writings of people like Thomas Aquinas about women being "evil temptresses."

Answer 4

Of course not. That's silly.

Answer 5

That's insulting to both men and women.  It says that women's bodies are public property that should be attired to be as inoffensive as possible, and that men are hormone-driven Neanderthals who aren't capable of controlling their reactions to attractive women.

As a woman, I'm offended.  If I were a man, I'd be offended.

Answer 6

Blame the victim......

No, I don't think women wearing make up is on the same level as a man groping a woman.  The same way I don't think men cleaning up and wearing aftershave is on the same level as a woman grabbing a man's crotch.

Answer 7

Well, isn't Kammer a hate-mongering moron?

So dressing as one chooses is the same as sexual assault and rape, is it?

He needs to go back to the simple concept of liberty -- your right to wave your fist stops at my face.

How he can consider a person wearing what they choose to have anything to do with rape, I do not get.

But if he feels that way (and hates, not only all women, but all men, as he believes all men to be rapists by nature), he should move to Saudi Arabia.

Answer 8

Women have always been the stronger partners and many learn from an early age how to manipulate men.

If a man turned in to work wearing tight trousers stuffed with a sock and made flirty remarks and gestures to female colleagues he could and probably would be accused of sexual harassment. Yet the same would not be said of a woman wearing high heels, tight skirts and gaudy make up. Most men would claim that female workers rights have been so far polarised now that they (men) feel intimidated and unable to perform their daily duties. The protection of human rights in employment act makes no provision at all for white men. In fact the act clearly states that it is no longer a womans duty to prove that sexual harassment occurred it is the mans duty to prove that it didn't.

Having been the victim of and worked with many 'genuine' cases of sexual harassment and discrimination I feel I have to agree in part.

I know that's not really what you asked and no I don't agree that wearing make up is the same as groping but I would say that there are probably as many women as men that are as guilty of sexual harassment. No one has the right to use power over another to take advantage whether this is male strength or female guile.

It's been a while since I read any sociological theory and I'm not familiar with the book you refer to. However for every argument there is a counter argument and I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find it.

No I'm not your tutor lol

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Answer 9

if women in skimmpy clothes counts as sexual harrasment count me in

Answer 10

This  strategy is called "Blame The Victim".

It is not acceptable behavior.  "Groping" is a type of paraphilia  called frotteurism.  It is a mental disorder recognized by psychiatrists, and is described in the Diagnostic Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).  It is also a form of sexual assault, and as such a criminal offense.

Sexual harassment is not a "joke" anymore; thankfully its being taken seriously.  I have been the victim, and also seen other women victimised.  Not nice.

Answer 11

The comparison is incredibly inappropriate, for the obvious reason that in this country freedom of expression is allowed, and the onus is put on the listener or viewer to turn away. However a person's right to be free from unwanted and degrading sexual conduct is not only protected in this country, I would argue that it is a basic human right that is inherent in humanity, and needs no law to validate it.

Answer 12

Do you think men check and see if Jack kammer's e book  says its okay to grope women before they do it? hes clearly writing from the starting point that radical feminism, and the changes afterwards have alienated males somewhat, and that in some ways feminist agendas do not make sense ( at least to him, prob been divorced once too often).

One thing that I noticed whilst reading this was that the thread is gender and women's studies? Bit sexist! Which leads me to wondering if any universities run courses on men's studies. Seriously, has anyone any information on this?Do Gender inequalities exist in the provision of university courses on gender inequalities?  Or are the male academics too busy chasing after the women to care about it?

Answer 13

...hmm, ...rraaaar, rraaaar (grope)

Answer 14

Can a woman wearing make-up and dressing attractively and a man groping a woman be compared?

NO

Only for a minority of male idiots.