Can holocaust deniers be silenced by publishing information about how the 6 million was calculated?

Question

WW2 Germany was a sophisticated country, everybody had identity cards, passports, tax returns, bank details and above all addresses.They had jobs and businesses, and were known by neighbours.

Therefore, when the n***s killed so many of them some means of estimating the total,figure must be available; there must be somewhere a list of names and details of all killed and a reasonably accurate one as well. How was the 6 million calculated? Where is the list of names which should be 99% accurate?

As far as I know this information has never been published and to publish it would silence the anti semites who either deny the holocaust or say it was heavily exaggerated.

Answer 1

Let's not silence the holocaust deniers.

Let's allow them to keep making themselves look stupid by continuing to ignore all the evidence. If we silence those who we disagree with, we become like the n***s who carried out these atrocities. So let's allow the "nationalist" groups in this country to keep showing their n**i sympathies by denying the holocaust.

Nick Griffin, BNP leader:

“I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into lamp shades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the earth is flat … I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie and latter witch-hysteria.”

"It's well known that the chimneys from the gas chambers at Auschwitz are fake, built after the war ended."

Answer 2

No, because the very first thing that would happen would be that the deniers would question 1) the validity of the data 2) The integrity of those doing the calculations. There would also be heavy resistance from Israel because when you add up all of those numbers it will come below 6 million.

Many people simply vanished, and many records were lost (A lot was taken by the Russians after the fall of Berlin), so many people who are listed a having been exterminated by the n**i are actually missing presumed exterminated, rather than confirmed exterminated.

One of the main arguments against the 6 million figure is that many families actually escaped into Russia and Eastern Europe and either died in other ways or were list behind the Iron curtain. They are recorded as dead but in reality they were not.

There is also the argument that some families simple took on false identities to escape and never went back to their old lives, and the argument that many families sent their children away, and while they died their children escaped but were recorded as having died because no record of them having survived could be found (Children who today may have no idea who they once were or who their families were).

There are historically recorded accounts of people working in embassies or consulates in Germany issuing fake or otherwise illicit travel papers to help people to escape, it is not clear exactly how many people left like this and started new lives.

In reality while there are detailed records of many deaths, the exact number is an educated estimate of the situation rather than a specific confirmed figure.

Answer 3

The only arguments that holocaust deniers have are the ones that they've made up with no proofs. By this I mean their false statistics, geographic evidence, ect.

They make their own truths and ignore the facts.

Sadly, nothing would pursued their ignorance. Unlike the evidence that is given for the holocaust which is indisputable with such evidence. These 'deniers', even go so far as to claim that all video and photographic evidence were all staged and performed by actors.. One of the biggest holocaust deniers in the U.S. was  at the head of the KKK, the other is the leader of Iran whom even held a comic book contest for holocaust denial.  

Answer 4

We don't have a list of all who were killed because remember only some of the Jewish Holocaust victims were from Germany, Germany had occupied a large part of Europe at that time and many of the victims were from Poland and the then Soviet Union, where there weren't such detailed records kept like in Western Europe. Also, in Eastern Europe, many Jews lived in seperate communities which were often completely wiped out so that there are often no neighbors alive who remember them.

In the Holocaust remembrance institution Yad Vashem in Israel as many names as possible are collected, I think they have about 4 million names now, and they have an archive with information on all these people and there is a hall in the museum of Yad Vashem where there are folders all around full of names of Jewish Holocaust victims. In addition they have empty shelves where the names of the unknown victims would be to remember them too. I've been there and have also talked to someone who works in the archive there. They are still looking for more names.

The number of 6 million is an estimate that is based not only on the victims that are known by name but also on the Jewish communities that disappeared in Eastern Europe, so basically on the Jewish population in Europe before and after the Holocaust, with Jewish emigration being considered.

The evidence is all there but unfortunately it doesn't silence Holocaust deniers, because they just say the information is made up, keep in mind that Holocaust denial usually comes along with severe antisemitism and as such antisemites often have a lot of crazy ideas of Jews having extreme secret powers and being generally very scheming and deceitful, it somehow fits very well into an antisemitic worldview to assume that no matter how hard evidence there is, "the" Jews would have somehow fabricated it. You know there are also so many other forms of evidence, like the accounts of survivors and even of perpetrators, the sites of concentration camps,  photos.... so apparently there is no evidence that can convince Holocaust deniers.  

Answer 5

You and I both know it happened, but unfortunately there will always be those people who will never admit the attrocities that took place. We will probably never know the real figure of how many people were exterminated, I should think it would well exceed 6 million.

I heard some people the other day telling me that God put dinosaur bones in the earth just to test peoples faith and dinosaurs never really existed. So I guess it is pretty much the same argument. Some people prefer to bury their heads in the sand and will never admit the truth no matter how much it stares them in the face.

I visited once the Holocaust museum in Washington in the USA and I was so moved and saddened at the reality of it all and was so disgusted that another human being could commit these attrocious crimes, especially upon little children.

Answer 6

No. There are none so blind as those that don't want to see or as deaf as those who don't want to hear.

Answer 7

The state of Israel has probably the most comprehensive list of victims as well as survivors along with thousands of hours of film and millions of pictures. None of it is of any use in convincing anti-semites such as the holocaust deniers to stop their ignorant/hateful  rantings. The only thing I can think of that would be an effective weapon against them is a stance taken by all civilized people of treating them with silent scorn, a watchful eye  to make sure they don't do more than rant about their racism and ostracism from the affairs of civilized people.  

Answer 8

Interesting question, how can the 6 million figure be proved?

Answer 9

There are people who still believe there are UFOs, and that a man never went to the moon. Regardless of the amount of proof to people like this, they won't believe it and claim it has been faked. They claim whatever evidence is more of the same lies. Look at how OJ was set free by a jury that wouldn't accept DNA evidence.

The Holocaust did happen. There are millions of people who lost family in it and while publishing a list for history is important, it is unlikely to change to the sick minds who deny it happened.

Answer 10

Just ask the Allied soldiers who liberated these camps if they do not believe the inmates who survived

Answer 11

i would say they are afraid to let the truth be known. they also hid the truth of what the Russians did to German women and girl children. and what a certain jewish lady 'put in charge of a camp for german children' did to them........but then history has all ways 'conveniently' been written by the victor. (the only truth is jewish truth) thats the way it is! and will ever be.

Answer 12

I really don't know the answer because there are strong reasons for exaggerating the "holocaust" to gain political advantage. There are also equally strong reasons for n**i type  people to deny the whole thing .

All the pictures and "evidence" supplied so far could have been taken from  a few 1000 deaths, Bad yes (a few 1000 is bad in fact shocking) but it is not 6 million.No single answer has produced any evidence or source of evidence; however this does not mean the Holocaust did not happen on the scale claimed .

I repeat I really don't know, but I am also unable to understand why  people on both sides are so certain of of their chosen stance. Sorry to be vague,in the absence of hard evidence  this subject is at very least vague