Can someone in japanese jiu jitsu be just as good or better than someone who trains in gracie bjj?

Question

or just normal bjj. is it true its not the style its the fighter? and if normal jiu jitsu a good martial art to learn?

Answer 1

Japanese JJ and Judo is where Gracie Jujitsu got its root techniques. The Japanese variety is not so much a competition art as it is a battlefield art. A lot of the moves were devised for disarming and disabling armed Samurai. Some of the moves are still applicable, and very useful in life or death and self defense situations on the street. So yes, as an art, I think it's just as good, and worth training in.

Answer 2

If you;re interested in competing in MMA, I suggest Gracie Jiu-jitsu.  Japanese Jiu Jitsu is the foundation of BJJ, but in either scenario, it is generally the fighter and not the style, especially because these 2 styles are similar.

Answer 3

it all depends on HOW YOU TRAIN.

what METHODOLOGY do you use.

how REALISTICALLY do you train and do you train against RESISTING opponents.

I'm sure we can come up with some kind of acronym that makes sense to simplfy things further and help you memorize it but i think its an easy enough concept.

Answer 4

yes one can excell in Japansese Jiu Jitsu and excell at BJJ.  It is true that it is the fighter and not the style, but also it depends on the one who trains harder as well.  For your final question yes Jiu jitsu is a very good art to learn.  However it is being outshined by Judo.

Answer 5

Japanese Jujitsu will not be as effective in MMA competition as it was not designed for that, but it will be effective in street fighting.

Answer 6

In a ring with restricted rules more likely gracie bjj will win as that is what they mainly train for the ufc,pride etc.

But as some answerer's have already stated it really depends on the individual person and Japanese jiu jitsu excursively train for real street fighting with no rules.

Just my opinion but it never failed myself especially when combining Boxing in self defence and when I worked the doors.

Best wishes :)***

Answer 7

absolutely yes. as with the better answers here its down to the quality,determination,skill of the[expert]. i have met and trained with a lot of ju-jitsu guys and it a good well rounded system,primarily developed for warfare/battle/covering all ranges.

Answer 8

All due respect to the people above me the real question here is not whether it is POSSIBLE but whether it is LIKELY and the answer is no.

The training methodologies employed in current JJJ schools just are not as good as the ones employed by Gracie/Brazillian JJ schools.

If you want to know what makes an art effective watch this video by Matt Thornton: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...

And read the Aliveness101 Blog  here:

http://aliveness101.blogspot.com/

And this article on Aliveness over at Bullshido.net:

http://www.bullshido.net/modules.php?nam...

Answer 9

Yes, they can.

The style plays a big part, but the practitioner is what makes the difference.

Answer 10

Actually, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is closer to Judo, and while you can argue that Judo is a form of Japanese Jujitsu, it's a common misconception amongst non-grapplers.

Now, in terms of the original questions-

"Can" is a very broad term.

Let me explain with a silly example:

"CAN a BJJ fighter take down a good Wrestler with a double leg takedown?"

While the wrestler will most likely sprawl out to stuff the shot by someone who doesn't train as extensively on takedowns, I guess yes, it is possible that a wrestler could be taken down by a sloppy double leg by a BJJ practitioner.

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While theoretically it should be yes, JJJ is just as good as BJJ, in reality, once you look at reasons outside of the techniques themselves, no, most likely not.

While most MA practitioners on the internet seem to enjoy patting each other on the back, saying things like "it's the practitioner, not the art," or "Well, Art X COULD be just as good as Art Y," the truth is, many MAs these days art just not trained properly, and JJJ, unfortunately, is usually in this group.

BJJ, as lacking as it is in many aspects, and as g*y as it honestly looks, has actively promoted alive training with resisting partners, which is why it and many other arts with the same philosophy, like (surprise!) Judo, Muay Thai, Sambo, Wrestling, Kyokushin Karate, and such have done historically very well, and continue to thrive.

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In terms of style vs style, assuming that you are a JJJ practitioner that belongs to one of those rare schools that do teach in a completive, full contact environments, (yes, they do exist) it's a matter of how good you are at groundwork regardless of style, as it has been shown repeatedly, PREFERENCE DOES NOT INDICATE WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS, so if your groundwork is up to par with the BJJ guy you're sparring, which unfortunately, is going to be unlikely, you'll have a good chance at winning.

So, to answer your other questions, JJJ is a fine art to learn if you're willing to go to a school at spars and teaches all aspects of the art, including the newaza.

I'd like to end this with the fact that I had my first taste of groundwork by a BB in traditional JJJ (who also had a brown in Judo).