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Can the existence of God be proven? Yes or No?

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We all agree that there is no way to prove whether God exists or dosn't exist right? (Well I believe we can prove it, but lets keep it like this for simplicity sake)

Well there's two possible outcomes:

A) We say God dosn't exist and we're either right and nothing happens after we die, or were wrong and burn in h**l for not believing

B) We say God does exist and we're either right and go to Heaven or we're wrong and nothing happens.

It seems like with choice be we have a better chance of something "positive" happen. So if you dont believe in God, why not? I mean if you do believe you have a chance of getting into Heaven right? Whereas if you didn't believe and were wrong, your probably going to regret it. So join now! Believe today!

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  1. The question you ask has nothing to do with the subsequent explications. You should have tried to stick to the question, EITHER the question of proof OR the question of what to do in its absense. This is just a hodgepodge.

    Yes, I know it's Pascalian and I have great respect for Pascal. But as you've hashed it out, it's a hodgepodge.


  2. I can't find anything in Nature that serves no purpose. Everything is food for something else, or a source of shelter.  Even among some of the most bizarre creatures, the anatomical parts all serve a purpose, whether it be to attract food, repel predators, enable it to live in the cold, underwater, heat, or whatever.

    That's understandable, once one has embraced the wisdom of Evolution; the useless things get discarded by the system, and only the useful survives.

    There are creatures that are totally blind, even among animals.  Some are nocturnal, and rely on other senses. Some are color blind, both predator and prey.  

    So... the next time you look at a sunset, or admire the fall colors as the trees change, consider whether it makes a whit of difference if the trees are green, orange, or brown, and what purpose a spectacular sunset or the Aurora Borealis serves.

    The only purpose for any of those is if someone wanted them to be that way.

  3. When people speak of a major natural disaster involving huge loss of life, they call it an "act of god"..  it happens all the time, around the world.  

    Look up how many people were killed by tsunamis.. hurricanes, floods, earthquakes & tornadoes this past year or pick any year.

    Does that qualify as proof..?

  4. Your logic falls apart when I substitute one word in your scenario:

    "Well there's two possible outcomes:

    A) We say (Zeus, Ra, any other diety) dosn't exist and we're either right and nothing happens after we die, or were wrong and burn in (h**l, Hades, any other threat) for not believing

    B) We say (Zeus, Ra, etc.) does exist and we're either right and go to Heaven or we're wrong and nothing happens."

    It's simply faulty logic.  Primarily, what happens if we apply your logic to the incorrect god?  Personally, if I were to succumb to this mal-logic, I'd go with Woden.  He offer far more interesting rewards for following him.

  5. Pascals wager nonsense! I do not believe in God because I do not believe him to be true. "Truth" is what matters to me.

    We atheist can play this little game too. What if God does exist but he only rewards the people that have the courage to NOT believe in him?

    Plus this is not a choice between A and B. More like a choice between 1 and 6 million other Gods throughout history. By this reasoning (if you're trying to hedge your bets) you should pick the God which has the worst h**l. Since the Islam h**l is worse than the Christian one you should believe in Allah - because if you don"t and it just so happens that hes real you will burn for all eternity in Islamic h**l.

    ohhhhh. Sorry, but it takes much more than the threat of h**l to convince a philosophical mind that a God exists.

    P.s. How do you "Choose" what to believe. But you haven't thought of that. Is beliefe a "Choice"?

  6. B) We say God does exist and we're either right and go to Heaven or we're wrong and nothing happens.

    That is not enough to "QUALIFY"...

    Respect the 10 commandments, and maybe you go in "round 2", where God will judge some other things you did affecting other people...

    If God or any other superior entity doesn't exist then why each and every human kind in it's religion needs to pray for some divine help!?

    Are humans so inventive to create such a "role" as God's?, or is just something real known from our first ancestors and blended with local myths and rituals? (resulting from this different religions..?)

  7. omg I am so SICK OF PASCAL'S WAGER!!!

  8. someone once told me that the only sin that could send you straight to h**l was to have a perfect knowledge of god, and then deny it. denying god is as simple as commiting any other sin, such as lying. as humans, we all sin at LEAST once. therefore, if there was a way on this earth to POSSIBLY know for a fact that god existed, there would be no way to ever reach him, because in the end we all sin, and that one little sin commited after KNOWING god existed would send us straight to h**l.

    so therefore, if we all had a way of KNOWING there was a god, none of us could ever get to heaven, because we all sin in the long run. knowing this, god made it impossible for us to find any way to prove he was out there, so that we all at least had a shot at getting into heaven. and thats why we HAVE to take it on blind faith.

    and thats the most logical explanation ive ever heard. however, i still dont like the idea that im not allowed to know something.

  9. Philosophers and scientists have worked for two centuries and more to prove the existence of a god and come up with a big fat ZERO.

  10. The existence of God can be proven! Like you said...let's keep it simple. Answer these questions honestly and you'll see the proof of God. Don't lose sight of the fact that you cannot measure God in numbers. Since his existence is infinite in all forms: prescence, power, and knowledge...you cannot "measure" his existence, acts, and awareness.

    Here ya go!

    1. Do you consider humans to have a soul or other energy that transcends natural instincts of animals thereby allowing you to defy an impulse which would lead to an act that is wrong?

    2. Do you transcend animal instincts by "asking" questions about eternity?

    3. Do Humans regret stealing, adultery, murder, lying...(all the ten commandments that God "Wrote into the hearts of man"?)

    4. Is one strand of DNA so complex that it couldn't have evolved? Think before you answer this because in order to "evolve" it would have to have all the coding for proginy. Also, it would have had to evolve in one strand before the strand died...after about 1 day or less. (DNA is in a cell and a cell only lives a short while)

    5. If evolution were the case...how did insects avoid it? (ants, mosquitos..ect)

    6. Do you agree that all things originate from a starting point...ie. the first cell or molecule consists of elements that consist of atoms that consist of protons, electrons, and neutrons that consist of energies that consist of ions that cannot create themselves? Where in SAM HILL did the first star come from and how did it get all those atoms?. If you say "the've always been around"....then ur not going far enough back. I mean the "FIRST ATOM AND FIRST ENERGY THAT FORMED IT!"

         This is a short list of questions from a very long list. Of all that we know in science and math...none of it disproves God. It only proves that this universe and allthat is in it are too complex to evolve and it would require a designer behind the design!

  11. God exhists and we see his signs all around. if you choose not to, you will not. if you choose to, you will

  12. no.  it cannot be disproven either.  

    Do numbers exist?  Prove it?  We use them, but do they actually exist?  

    What about the things we refer to as possible?  We know we mean something when we say "it is a possibility."  But is it a real thing?  We know we mean something by the phrase, but if we refer to something that is not real, we speak meaninglessly.  Yet we all know we in fact mean something.  Prove the existence of something possible, though?  No.  Disprove it?  No.  Yet we use the concept in everyday language, meaningfully.  

    So what's the big deal about proof of God?  People are so ready to jump to wild conclusions on the grounds of lack of intersubjective confirmation.  Monks, wise men, yogis, oracles, sages, prophets, etc. have not all been buffoons, have they?  

    what if proof is in experience alone?  What if paths for such experience have already been laid out and tested, but the literary proof seekers are blinded to the paths by their own ignorance involved in literary controversy?  Endless literary controversy is for SLUGGARD MINDS.

    ***then again, what do you mean by God, and what do take to be proof?  Those are the more important questions for you to answer!!!***

  13. The existence of God already HAS been proven. Even if philosophers, scientists, etc. haven't found any physical evidence doesn't mean that there isn't any evidence at all.  Who needs the physical evidence if you already believe anyway? Either you believe or you don't. But how else can we explain everyday miracles, I don't know about everyone else, but I highly doubt that all miracles are simply caused good luck or chance.

  14. There is an old man sitting in the clouds with a long white beard counting the sins of billions of people on Earth. Saying, "You did not do this right <guy/girl>! I recently saw Bruce Almighty the other day and that proved to me that there must be a God.

  15. I believe in God.I have my whole life.I do not need proof.That is where the faith comes in to play.I do not believe just because I am afraid of going to h**l.

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