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LAUREL, MD. — Ask planetary scientist Mark Sykes where NASA’s Dawn spacecraft is headed, and he will say it is on its way to the largest asteroid and the smallest planet.

Dawn launched in September 2007 and is scheduled to rendezvous with the asteroid Vesta in 2011 and then with the dwarf planet Ceres in 2015.

But a dwarf planet is not a planet — at least that is what the International Astronomical Union declared in 2006. Technically, Sykes’ comment is incorrect.

But Ceres is a planet, “my favorite planet,” Sykes said August 14 during the Great Planet Debate Conference held at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory in Laurel, Md. Sykes, who is director of the Planetary Science Institute headquartered in Tucson, Ariz., is one of many scientists calling for a definition of the word “planet” other than the IAU definition.

A planet in the solar system, the IAU says, must: orbit the sun; have enough gravity to make it nearly round; and have gobbled up or sent packing any objects found in its orbit. A dwarf planet, under IAU rules, is not a planet. The IAU says a dwarf planet orbits the sun, is not a satellite, has enough mass to make itself nearly round and has not booted objects from its orbit.

But how can a dwarf of something not be considered one of that thing? Sykes asked.

That sentiment was expressed again and again by many scientists at the conference. “It is grammatically and logically weird that a dwarf planet is not a planet. That rule is unacceptable and violates laws of logic and grammar,” said planetary scientist David Morrison of the NASA Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif.

The IAU definition of planet pleases no one, which is ironic because words are to be useful and easy to understand, he said. So during the conference, Morrison called for the withdrawal of the IAU definition, an action he said would be unlikely. He then suggested that the IAU definition be ignored.

And that is what Sykes is doing, he said — at least partially. He is selecting the part of the IAU definition that he finds useful, arguing that a planet is anything that orbits a star, doesn’t fuse elements in its core and has enough internal gravity to be nearly round.

Those criteria would make Ceres a planet. It would remake Pluto one too. There would be at least 13 planets in the solar system with many more, possibly thousands to come, he said. The thousands would lie in the Kuiper Belt, the ring of planet-like chunks of rock and ice in Pluto’s neighborhood.

Not all conference attendees agreed, though. “It is easier to determine if a larger object is dynamically dominant, meaning it dominates the orbit, not necessarily clears it, compared to determining whether a smaller object is round,” said astrophysicist Steven Soter of the American Museum of Natural History in New York City. He did note that he was not advancing the IAU’s definition, but rather was suggesting that using dynamics to define objects is more straightforward than defining a planet based on its gravity establishing its roundness. That in essence means the planet's internal gravity is strong enough to make the object nearly round.

Labeling planets based on their dynamics around the sun distinguishes the planets as Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune.

But if Earth were orbiting the sun out in the Kuiper Belt, based on a dynamical definition and the mass of Earth, it would not be a planet, Sykes and other scientists pointed out.

“The dynamics perspective misses the point of planet classification,” which is to group like things together, said planetary scientist Alan Stern of NASA’s science mission directorate based in Washington D.C. And, “it ignores the 300-plus planets found outside the solar system,” he added. “A definition based on the physical, the intrinsic properties of a planet does not,” he noted.

Such a definition might seem to add confusion because it would include a planet’s moons as planets too, Stern said. “But we are just going to have to get over that,” he said, because what makes a broad, physical-based definition of a planet useful is that it allows scientists and educators to “put like things together in the same bin,” and then make sub-bins or subcategories of planets such as satellite planets, dwarf planets and extrasolar planets, he explained. Those subcategories could be added to already existing categories, such as terrestrial planets, gas planets, rocky planets, inner planets and outer planets.

But making moons and others objects planets is a “radical step” away from the definition of planets as the public knows it, Morrison said. And since “planet” is a cultural term, it is dangerous to change the term to that extent, he argued.

Stern countered by saying that his concept of a definition — one “based on the physical, the intrinsic properties of a planet” — is how he defines a planet. It also pushes the bounds of what a planet is. When, or if,

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  1. The use of the term "dwarf planet" is bothering some people because they think it shouldn't use the word "planet" at all.  This has caused some confusion.  While the IAU has attempted to define what a planet is and is not, there is still considerable debate on how things like Ceres and Pluto should be designated, now that Pluto has been demoted from its planet status.

    I think they're on the right track with this, but they will have to iron out some semantic issues.


  2. To summarize, there is conflict amongst the astronomical community as to what the true definition of the word "planet" should be.  There are many objects in our solar system that kind of fit the definition of "planet" but might also partially fit the definition of "asteroid" or "comet" or "kuiper belt objects" or the possible "oort cloud objects."  

    In an attempt to clear up what precisely we call a planet, a new category was created, called "Dwarf Planet."  This was to include Pluto, and some of the largest, roundest asteroids, which, as it ended up, only fit for Ceres.

    The term dwarf planet basically fits every definition of "planet" except one...  It does not dominate it's orbit, it shares it with other objects.

    Some people are taking exception to this definition, though, cause, well, how can a dwarf planet not be a planet?  It's like saying how can a small ant not be an ant!  

    I hope I was helpful, and didn't confuse you more.

  3. One of the goals of science is to classify stuff.  That is to write rules and definitions about the universe we live in.  Oddly, before the recent IAU attempts to develop a clear definition of what a planet is, we had no true scientific definition.  Planet, in the popular sense, referred to the "wanders" we could see changing their positions in the sky relative to the background stars.  It did not adequately define or limit the characteristics or properties that make up a planet.

    Within the solar system alone, there are a wide variety of objects that display a wide range of characteristics and properties.  It is not a simple task to write a set of rules that can define all the variables on first pass.  As more planet type objects (extra-solar) are added to the list the range of features broadens and makes it even more difficult to write rules that can cover every instance.

    The IAU approach was to develop categories and classes of objects that are relatively narrow to keep objects with each group as closely related as practical.  Naturally, the process has been less than purely scientific since traditional and historical sentiments about what defines a planet were allowed into the rule making process.  The result was much debate and disagreement.

    The IAU rules may not be the last word on the topic.  As we learn more about the types and varieties of objects out there, and as we study and come to better understand those objects, the rules can be expected to  change.  The more we understand about what makes things different the more categories we need to keep them separate.  We may truely be obsessive nit-pickers.

  4. The short version of this is there are a lot of disagreement on what makes a planet.

    There are a lot of bias surrounding this subject. One of the arguments for Pluto retaining it's planet status was, "It's been a planet for 70 years so it's unfair to demote it". That's well and good, but not a very convincing argument from a scientific perspective.

    In the end I think we will have a broad definition of 'planet' with a lot of subcategories. Gas planets, Ice planets, Terrestrial planets, Rocky planets. Planets with atmospheres and planets without. Then you get into the big moons. Titan has a thick atmosphere. Ganymede has it's own weak magnetic field. Both of these are very planet-like qualities. Even our Moon is bigger than Mercury.

    In the Star Trek universe there are several classifications of planets. Class-M, Class-G, Class-Y etc. The only one ever defined was Class-M, which can support life. It would probably be a lot less confusing if we classified planets by their characteristics, not their size.

    Edit: Check out the link below for more on this ongoing debate.

  5. A rose by any other name.... Since we know the size and shape and composition and distance from the sun of Ceres, why be concerned that some say it's a planet and others an asteroid? It is what it is. The only concern here is when people communicate with each other, they must use words that are understood by the other people. So that's why we set up organizations to proclaim to the world what NAME to call an object. Twenty years ago, I spoke of Pluto as the ninth planet. Today I begrudgingly speak of Pluto as whatever the astronomical union proclaims it to be. I am still a creature of habit. It may help by speaking of these things in proper name only Ceres, Pluto, etc.

  6. Some are ticked that the IAU says they are the ones who are calling the shots on what is defined as a planet. The IAU wants a planet to be something round, circling a star, not fusing elements (what stars do to produce energy), not a moon itself, and have no other large object in its orbit. Some would like it to just be the first 3 criteria. The IAU has its way than the 8 planets we have now will probably be the last planets. If the other people get there way there will probably be hundreds of planets... not a very good thing from the perspective of all the elementary school children who need to memorize them for science.

    Dawn is heading to the asteroid belt. Vesta is a very large asteroid while Ceres is a dwarf planet. Some think that the term dwarf planet is misleading because following the IAU criteria it is not a planet. Ceres is round, orbits the Sun, does not fuse elements, but exists in the asteroid belt so its orbit is not clear.  

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