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Can you say why you're againt g*y marriage without talking about the bible or religion?

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At least from what I've seen on YA, it is not. Is their religion the only evidence they have to prove that it is bad?! That's so lame

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  1. The Bible is the owner's manual for the human soul

    Can you defend evolution without using a science book?


  2. Nope

    I have heard NO reasonable secular argument against it

    I am ALL FOR g*y marriage

    and Mark T: how about single parents? There is NO reason why a same-s*x couple cannot raise a perfect child.

  3. As much as it pains me to say, raising children is hard.

    Raising children in a same-sexed household has to be another level of problem solving altogether.

  4. It's a matter of evolution - it's just anti-evolutionary - they can't make babies.

    There. They lose, no matter which side you take, evolution or creation. ;)


  5. Ok, let's take a look at homosexuality from a purely biological viewpoint...

    There is no biological benefit which homosexuality, male/male pairs and female/female pairs who cannot procreate, can provide.

    If homosexuality were somehow the evolutionary leap forward and all humans became homosexual, then what would happen to the human race? It would either die out, or we would have human beings converted into child producing factories through artificial insemination and rape rooms for those women who refuse, in my opinion of course. After all the survival of humanity would be at stake...and what kind of government would allow the populace to refuse this kind of patriotic and humanist duty? Remember, if the Bible is not true, and scientists are right, then homosexuality, along with humanity in general is an evolutionary accident, and therefore there is no purpose, no cause and effect, no reason whatsoever for homosexuality, let alone for human life to exist at all, so anything goes.

    Homosexuality does not provide a stable and nurturing environment for children. For example: regarding 2 women: if one woman has a child, the other shares no biological link to that child, nor does she share a spiritual bond to the child. It is by no means the ideal situation.

    Regarding 2 men: if they are to have a child in that relationship, there must be a female surrogate who is the child's true mother. The man whose sperm inseminated the woman would have the biological link to the child, and the spiritual link would be with that man and the woman.

    The second man would have no biological or spiritual bond to the child.

    Male couples and female couples cannot biologically or spiritually provide or experience the same kind of connection to, or relationship with the child as that of the child's 2 natural parents, the man and woman united in marriage. It is a biological and spiritual impossibilty.

    The Judeo-Christian institution of marriage is what our society is based upon, and regardless whether or not one is willing to admit this fact of history and modernity, homosexual marriage is an oxymoron. Homosexuality specifically rebels against the very principles of personal responsibility, virtue, and piety upon which marriage is based. Homosexuality not only condones mulitple partners, but promotes it. This is extremely high risk behavior from which the contraction of std's is very likely. The fact that homosexual couples do not have to "worry" about pregnancy only increases the misperception that this lifestyle choice increases the opportunity for risk free s*x. Homosexuality also condones and promotes along with casual s*x; s&m, bondage and fetishes.

    This is not a movement seeking liberation from traditional values and morality, it is unadulterated rebellion from responsibility and accountability and a celebration of lust.

    As for the specific religious reasons: God condems homosexuality as an abomination. Period.

    None of this is said out of hate, or bigotry, or any sense of superiority. It is said out of concern. If a person sees another person who is about to be hit by a car do they,

    a. do nothing

    b. yell that there's a car coming

    c. yell there's a car coming and at the same time try to reach them

    It is absolutely irresponsible to sit idly by and just nod along and tell people what they want to hear, when what they do will absolutely result in a consequence of such horror that none on this earth can even fathom.

    Being a homosexual does not mean that you have to engage in the homsexual lifestyle.

    Jesus Christ will save you and change your desires, and forgive you for all the sins of your life, past/present and future if you just ask Him to and believe in Him.

    If you do this you will be reborn into the family of God and have your name written in the Lamb's Book of Life, and nothing can take you out of His hand.

    Take Care and God Bless you all.

  6. There is absolutely zero proof that god even exists so start using a bit of intelligence.

    Can't believe there are so many anti g*y marriage air heads and bimbo's in this forum.

    or on this planet.

  7. Because they have to protect the Bible saying that part, while they can just let all of the stonings and lynchings try to go unnoticed.

  8. So.... if you aren't ignoring the Constitution (you know, that separation of church and state thing)  than you think its ok to control someones life because of what you find "icky" or "gross".

    Wow,  I feel sick to my stomach, you people should be ashamed of yourselves.  If there is a God I am sure he is truly revolted by you and your lack of compassion, understanding, and acceptance.  If these are the type of people going to heaven, I will be much happier in h**l.

  9. I saw an atheist on here once, saying he was opposed to it.

    50 bucks says he was touched by a priest as a kid.

    (Edit - Spacemonkey, no they can't...  There are quite a few monetary benefits ONLY available to standard married couples)

  10. Marriage is to be a protected family unit. It is supposed to be protection for the woman and the kids.

    In today's society- it's become almost a joke.  Serial monogamy seems to be what is going on. No til death do us part- it's when the romance is gone.. I'm outta here...

    But marriage is by definition- two partners, together, to have children and be united, a family, and on and on- grandmothers, great grandmothers, etc. Blood relations. Extended family. g**s can't do this.

    g*y people can live together, and set up everything joint ownership and beneficiary without making a marriage of it.  

      

  11. I'm not only against g*y marriage, I'm against straight marriage as well. its stupid...that's like going out and buying an entire pig because you want a piece of sausage

  12. It's unnatural!

    Man & woman = 1 flesh(children)

    Man & man=0

    Woman & woman = 0

  13. No, they can't, plain and simple.

    and to those who said all children deserve a mother and father, **** u and tell that to my b*****d father. he left before i was born and i've never met him, and i'm not that ****** up now, just a bit pissed at u all saying it's wrong and gross. deal with it u bums.  

  14. people claim that if people are g*y that people cannot make babies and society will die.... not true a g*y man and a L*****n can still (physically) have s*x with the opposite s*x so babies will still come

  15. Hey, I am just against marriage in general.  

  16. Homosexuality is deadly. Going against a bodies design causes damage. When g**s are allowed to marry in every state, polygamists will be right behind. Then M.A.M.B.L.A. Then people who want to marry animals. It's a downward spiral.

    And that is what will happen if marriage is not kept sacred.

  17. I have lived in apartments next to g*y couples. Known a few very well and some not so well.  I cannot say I liked any g*y I have ever known.

    I think all  children deserve a mother and a father.

  18. Well, taking The Bible or any religion completely out of it: I'm against it because personally, I think it's just gross. There. My honest, non-Biblical opinion.

  19. Not really.  

  20. No, I can't.  The only reason I am against g*y marriage is because the Bible condemns homosexual activity.  I would like to point out also that the Bible condemns a lot of activity that is quite common in today's society.  I just want you to know that I do know that.

  21. If the religion card was not played well it be legal. But nooooo, it make God mad, so what, their g*y, their just going to h**l for it. So who cares. I truly believe g*y marriage should be legal, there just a bunch of retards that won't let  people wrought in h**l.

    Twiztidforlife supports g*y marriage, see you guys in h**l.

  22. "Because it is icky and I don't like it."

  23. Wow, somebody actually said because it is gross...

    Apparently good gyrl thinks it to be a good thing to pass laws because something seems "gross" to some people.

    Next time I find a "gross" bathroom, I will fight for it to be banned in the constitution.

    EDIT

    Mark T-

    What about the hundreds of healthy, intelligent, and normal children who have been raised in same-s*x households?

    There is absolutely NO evidence whatsoever that growing up in a same s*x household is worse of for the parents or the child!

    Stop spouting off supposed 'facts' that you have nothing to back up.

    EDIT

    Sweden-

    So just because g**s and lesbians marry means that hetero-sexuals will never have kids?

    Your logic has more holes in it than swiss cheese.

  24. The Bible is the standard by which I seek to walk out my life. My faith is not just some sort of hobby, it is the hope of my life, now and forevermore.Homosexuality is no a genetic condition it is a lust of the flesh just like any other sin.I would stand against any other sin that they tried to make legal. Homosexuality is sin, if I were silent and did not point that out then I would be guilty of causing those I come into contact with to be lost, but if I speak out the facts, then maybe I can save someone from being lost. My faith is not based on hate.

  25. "Because I can't come up with any rational explanation, but here's what it says in my bronze age book and teachings!"

    And here come the irrational explanations already.

    @ spacemonkey907: You seem to forget the government advantages to marriage (mostly state and federal tax laws).

    @ Sweden, Josie: You seem to forget artificial insemination or adoption.

    @ allan b: Will you then strike your child if he or she speaks against you? Will you look down upon your wife as the "weaker vessel?"

  26. this is sorta off topic but

    what i've heard,

    is that since the bible was originnaly in hebrew or greek or

    whatever some of the words are wrong when it waas translated

    and that when they say that like you will go to h**l if your g*y

    it doesn't really mean that in the original bible or something

    haha i don't even know.

  27. You're catholic, but you support g*y marriage anyway?

    That's super-awesome!! =D

    I like people like you a lot...

    Also, I agree with what you're saying.

    Basically all of the arguments against it are EITHER based on religion OR based on the fact that some people think it is "yucky" or "unnatural". But how can you possibly call something unnatural when it occurs in nature?! Lots of other species have s*x with the same gender as well...

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