Canter in the front trot behind????

Question

first... whats it called when a horse canters in the front and trots in the back?

second.... my horse has a really forward "normal" canter and when I put draw reigns on him and get his head low i can get him to canter in the fron and tort in the back. (he is a hunter/jumper)

third... he has a powerful front end and I long trot to build the back end,,,,, will doint te canter/trot help build his back end or not? any other info you could give me on this gate??

THank You!!!!

Answer 1

There are lots of names for it, but it is basically disunited.  It is a major problem in training western pleasure horses, and I wouldn't recommend using draw reins, which can make the problem worse.  Some dressage-style impulsion is needed to get this guy going right.  If you plan to do any showing, he will be a problem if it becomes a habit.  Instead of bringing his head back to you, he needs to move more forward and get up in the bit before his head will balance out.

Answer 2

You are kidding I hope. You do this intentionally? Why would anyone believe a disorganized gait would enhance a horse's...well, frankly, anything - you can fill in the blank. If you are serious, please, dismount immediately.

Answer 3

1. Disunited canter.

2. He is not lifting his inside hind leg far enough forward to strike off correctly. He has too much weight on his forehand.

3. To correct this he needs some trot walk transitions, several of them to  get him to step in under with his hind legs. Make him walk and trot in a snappy crisp movement. Once his hind legs are engaged and you feel him stepping well forward with his hind legs then ask for correct canter.

4. To build up his back, do lots of transitions.

Happy riding :)

Answer 4

It's called a vallhop or valhopp, depending on where you live. http://www.horse-country.com/faqs/latera...

Uhm...I couldn't quite get what you are saying next. To build the back end: do walk trot tansitions, up and down, lots of them. Canter/trot transitions won't do much for what you need to do.

ADD: I read your additional details. It seems someone has told you that by putting your horse in draw reins and getting him to canter in front and trot in back this will build up his hindend. This is bad advice for a number of reasons. First, your horse is straining to perform an unnatural, unbalanced, and unproductive gait that stresses joints and muscles in a way they shouldn't be as well as teaches him muscle memory for a gait that has no use anywhere. Second, in theory I can see why it would appear by lifting the front end with a canter and dropping the backend with a trot, you'd somehow be 'building up' his hind quarters.This is the worst possible way I can think of to test out a theory when you have proven methods such as working hills and lots and lots of upward and downward trot transitions that the dressage pros and Olympians use for a reason. Third, using what you've described...you will end up with a sore, unhappy, and terribly confused horse that develops muscles improperly due to beng asked to perform improper movements. You've been given some very bad advice. Just say no, for your horse's sake, if no other.

Answer 5

we call it "trantering"

I have no idea what the rest of your question was- sorry, just can't understand your writing style.

Answer 6

Its called forebeating.  You don't want the horse to do it!  Its a very bad habit to get in!  If you do that is a show you will lose every time.  To get him to collect you need to push him foward with you legs and try to get him to push into the bit and rock his weight onto his back legs.  If you want him to develop muscles trot him up and down hills(not really steep ones).  If he is a hunter/jumper you want him to be collected but still moving foward at a good pace.  Putting draw reins on him forces his head down and he will have a very hard time rocking his weight back to collect himself.

Answer 7

It is called "TROPING" a lot of western pleasure horses do this but your horse is being lazy I have several horses that like to "TROPE" they are lazy and would like to just walk

The draw reins are to get the horse more collected but it will usually cause a horse to trope when you first start you just have to kick them into a full lope they will eventually slow down and not trope Troping is very comon in hunter/jumer and western pleasure horses

Long troting your horse will buid more muscle you trot them at a fast extended trot and it will build them every where including the back end you can also back a horse up to build there back end

HOPE I HELPED

Answer 8

Well some people think that slow canter half trot is a western lope but that is wrong.  Your horse is not collecting but being lazy.  You need to push him forward onto the bit and make him collect. This will help him get his rear end under him and make him work better.  Also at the trot make sure you are pushing him up onto the bit into collection.  If he is dragging you can always trot ground poles.  Have someone on the ground help you get them to the right spacing.  You should feel your horse engage his back and raise it up.  The more you do this the stronger his back will become.  Also trotting circle helps build collection.  Trotting hills is also good for building the rear end muscle.  Be careful going back down the hill that is harder on the horse.  You will feel your horse drop their head and engage in pushing themselves up the hill.

Answer 9

well i have never heard of it being called troping but i guess that might be true. and i have definately never heard vallhoping, and trantering is probably just a slang for it.

when a horse canters in the front and trots in back i know it as being called four beating. this is becaues in a true canter one stride consits of three beats, you can think about it as if a horse were cantering on cenent and you listend closely you could here 1...2.3. if the horse i cantering in the front and troting in the back he will only be doing half a true canter  and in one stride you would her 1.2..3..4, this is only used in western pleasure it is very slow and no offense to western riders but it is considered lazy in english and other types of riding that is not wetern pleasure. in western plesure they call it a lope (four beating is used as somewhat of a bad thing, like you would complain about how your horse is fourbeating if you had a lazy english horse.)

well i hope i could answer your question!!

Answer 10

it is called troping, and four beating.

he needs to be put into collection and pushed until he canters on hie back end.