Catholics and other Christians: How do you feel about this news regarding God's name?

Question

No 'Yahweh' in songs, prayers at Catholic Masses, Vatican rules

See the news link here:

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0804119.htm

Answer 1

Since you are a JW, you obviously have a tendency to lean towards the importance of God's name.

I'm a former Catholic and I will say this. BALANCE.

Catholics are now at one extreme, and JWs are at the other.

The Vatican uses as much mind control as the Governing Body.  I am seeing more and more similarities every day.  :o(

Answer 2

I think this is a move for the better.

Catholics and most other Christians follow the example of the Jews and the Bible by almost never using the Name of God. This pious practice is out of supreme respect and in obedience to the Commandment not to use God's name in vain.

With love in Christ.

Answer 3

How Christian of you who are accusing us Catholics of being evil and the Church that was founded by Christ himself as being demonic.  Just a little reminder to behave as what you claim to be.

As for taking Yahweh out of songs and prayers, I can understand why, and I have absolutely nothing against it.  They are trying to show respect not only to those of the Jewish faith, but to God Himself.  It doesn't mean that we aren't allowed to say God, we just won't be saying Yahweh.

Answer 4

Their rules. I don't really care since I'm not a Catholic. Besides, God supposedly has many names, right?

Answer 5

Nothing wrong with it.  I am not Catholic but why do some people feel the need to confuse things by referring to him by that tetragrammaton.

Answer 6

I already know that Catholicism is a false religion so it doesn't surprise me that they want to take God out the picture.

Answer 7

i agree with Following St. Faustina.

Answer 8

It's not how you pronounce; it's what it means. Knowing the name is not the point; it's knowing the person.

Answer 9

Jews think the name YHVH is to sacred to be pronounced outside of the Temple, which is why it is spelled w/o vowels. The Vatican is probably doing it along those lines.

If you're not Catholic or Jewish, why does it bother you?  

Answer 10

I think not using God's name is atrocious and unbiblical....so does the Almighty.

Psalm 22  KJV

22I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.

Exodus 9  KJV

16And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth.

Psalm 102  KJV

19For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; from heaven did the LORD behold the earth;

20To hear the groaning of the prisoner; to loose those that are appointed to death;

21To declare the name of the LORD in Zion, and his praise in Jerusalem;

Romans 9:17  KJV

17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

John 17  KJV

6I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

11And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

12While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

26And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

John 12:28  KJV

28Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.

We do as Jesus does and commanded.  1 Peter 2:21, 2 Cor. 5:15

Debbie

Answer 11

I read the article this has nothing to do with the Jewish people.

Jesus said in Prayer to Jehovah at (John 17:25-26) Righteous Father, the world has, indeed, not come to know you; but I have come to know you, and these have come to know that you sent me forth. 26 And I have made your name known to them and will make it known, in order that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”

(Exodus 3:15) Then God said once more to Moses: “This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ‘Jehovah the God of YOUR forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, has sent me to YOU.’ This is my name to time indefinite, and this is the memorial of me to generation after generation.

Romans 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” 14 However, how will they call on him in whom they have not put faith? How, in turn, will they put faith in him of whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? 15 How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent forth? Just as it is written: “How comely are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!” (Jehovahs Witnesses)

Answer 12

Of course not! How can the Catholics worship their god the pope and The God at the same time? It is not possible. The popes claim to be the god of heaven, earth and the lower regions, and claim the worship and adoration due Christ as their own! So, what else do you expect?

Oh, by the way, RCC IS NOT Christian! Not in any way, shape or form!

Answer 13

First of all the question was directed to Catholics and Christians, not idiots.  Second The vatican can make whatever rules they want for those that use them as leadership. But the name of God cannot be changed. GOD IS ! What people need to do is search the scriptures for themselves to be sure they are under the right leadership. Because we all must give an account for our own choices. Not what others told us.

Answer 14

Well, not surprising.  It was was removed from it's proper place in the Bible.  

For Following St. Faustina:  Respectfully, you said that it is a "return to tradition".  Actually, if you look at the King James Bibles of 1611 and 1767 ... specifically Exodus 6:3 ... you will find that it uses the name Jehovah (Yahweh).  The later edition of 18something uses the title "Lord" and then footnotes it says "TRADITIONALLY Jehovah".  You can check that out for yourself pretty easily by going to blueletterbible.com and searching for that verse, then hitting V so you can see all the translations.

Answer 15

The Vatican alienates yet another group of people. It's really not interesting nor surprising news anymore.

Man, they need quit while they're behind.

Answer 16

If the Catholic Church was doing this in order of not offending the Jewish nation will they promote not eating bacon, lobster or crabcakes? Would they stop celebrating Christmas and pick up a menorah?

This action has NOTHING to do with the Jewish people. No offense but history shows that the RCC shows disgust towards that nation not compassion. This was merely a move to remove God's personal name so that Jesus can be worshiped as God. The disturbing thing about it is that they put it all on the Jews and their traditions.

Answer 17

Praise be to God!

The Church is correct in that that name of the Lord is not supposed to be pronounced (the Bible says so). Even better, most of the songs who use "Yahweh" are seriously lame, so good riddance to them!

Answer 18

While my initial reaction was negative, my wife said something that led me to agree with the new rules.

She said, "I would never call my dad 'Bob.'"

If we recognize that it is disrespectful and unchildlike to call our earthly fathers by their personal names, why would we call our heavenly Father by his personal name?

Note, however, that it is NOT disrespectful to use God's name, Yahweh, when not addressed to him in prayer.  By the same token, there would be no problem in my wife saying, "My father's name is Bob."  The Jerusalem Bible uses Yahweh in its translation.  Other organizations use Jehovah, which is a mistranscription.

On the spelling without vowels, Hebrew has no vowels. Yahweh is spelled with four letters in Hebrew.

Cheers,

Bruce

Answer 19

And they also said, last year, that caths could lose their salvation if they voted for the wrong candidate. Just goes to show the catholic c..t knows nothing of Salvation.

Answer 20

"the sacred Tetragrammaton was never pronounced in the Christian context nor translated into any of the languages into which the Bible was translated."

Its ironic that the reasons they give are actually blatant lies. I wonder what else they lie about...

http://www.eliyah.com/lxx.html

All of the following contain the Tetragrammaton translated into a different language:

LXXP. Fouad Inv. 266

LXXVTS 10a

LXXIEJ 12

LXXVTS 10b

A papyrus fragment of the third century C.E. (P. Oxyrhynchus vii. 1007) containing a portion of the Septuagint translation of Genesis represented the divine name Jehovah by a doubled yohdh.

4Q LXX Levb (Dead Sea Scrolls)

AqBurkitt  (dated to the end of the fifth century or the beginning of the sixth century C.E.)

AqTaylor (dated after the middle of the fifth century C.E., but not later than the beginning of the sixth century C.E.)

SymP. Vindob. G. 39777 (dated to the third or fourth century C.E.)

Ambrosian O 39 (dated to the end of the ninth century C.E.)

As is brought out, "no copies of the Septuagint dated before the mid-2nd century CE/AD substitutes the Tetragrammaton (Yahweh's name) with "Kyrios" (the Greek word Lord). "

And as for the points made that we can't know how to pronounce God's name because there are no vowels: Isn't that just an excuse? Don't we pronounce EVERY OTHER word in Hebrew, even though none of them had vowels either? And can't we just use a little reasoning and logic to figure out how to pronounce the tetragrammaton?

http://www.xanga.com/DivineNamePics/6557...

Answer 21

If the Catholics believe that Jesus and Jehovah are the same person, why don't they remove the name "Jesus" from their bible and songs also?

x x x

Answer 22

It makes no sense.

The ruling came out of respect for Jews not using the proper name of God....Catholic church is not Jewish! Christians believe in the name of God!

Answer 23

It sounds like they're going Orthodox Jewish. Interesting. And weird. And pointless.

Like "God" has a name. Give me a break. God is beyond names and words, even funny little Hebrew consonants with invisible vowels between them.

Short version: WHAT ever. ;)

Answer 24

I really don't know what to say. I do know that there is a problem today of everyone saying the name of God or Mary or the Saints in vain and in blasphemous ways. I don't know if taking Yahweh out would really impact though.  

Answer 25

It's probably a good idea.  The name "Yahweh" goes back to a time 4,500 years ago, prior to the invention of monotheism.  The name "Yahweh" originally referred to a particular member of the Ugritic pantheon (the sons of El-yon and Asherah) who was adopted as a tribal god and worshipped henotheistically by the proto-Israelites.  This is not consistent with current Catholic doctrine about the nature of God.

Answer 26

Was not Catholics one of Hitler's favorite people. There were no Catholic's in his camps. Hitler wanted to eradicate all Jews, blacks, g**s, lame people..well pretty much whomever he felt was not human enough to live. And the one group of People who bared the name of God-Jehovah was there too. Pharaoh did not know Jehovah and he was considered to be a god himself. Only people who do not worship God in trueness does not want to use his name. Don't worry the governments soon turn on them!

Answer 27

I'm no so sure what I think about that. I'm going to have to check into it. There is one thing, however, that I do know. Mr. "Jesus is not the answer" needs to keep his s**+TTY answers to himself!!!

Answer 28

Ahhhh,  the precious name of Jesus ( English ) !  Halleluiah !!!

It don't matter, because man cannot stop Gods presentation.  He WILL, however, have a different name, in the end.

Check the "roots" of denominations :  Started with ROMAN CATHOLICS.

    Out of all denominations, there are those having a pure heart toward God : The elect, that is walking in Truth and Faith. I plea with the body of Christ to walk in newness of Spirit, and not the traditions and doctrines of man.

    Those that have an ear to hear :  Let them hear what

    the Spirit is saying to the church ...

    From the fall of Eden, Satan has been using deceit to

    destroy the TRUTH of God.  Every denomination has

    their own separation from Truth.  Some more than

    others, but all are polluted with " doctrines " of

    MAN.

    The FIRST denomination :  The denomination of the Serpent !

    Eve believed the lie of Satan, which perverted the

    Truth.

    Genesis  2:16,17  And  the Lord God commanded the man,

    saying,  Of every tree of the garden thou mayest

    freely eat :  But of the tree of the knowledge of good

    and evil, thou shalt not eat of it :  For in the day

    that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    Genesis  3:1-6  Now the Serpent  was more subtle than

    any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.

    And he said unto the woman,  Yea, hath God said, Ye

    shall not eat of every tree of the garden ???  And the

    woman said unto the serpent,  We may eat of the fruit

    of the trees of the garden :   But of the fruit of the

    tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath

    said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch

    it, lest ye die.

    Note :  Eve added to the Word when she said :  "

    neither shall ye touch ".

    And the serpent said unto the woman,  Ye shall not

    surely die :  for God doth know that in the day ye eat

    thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall

    be as gods, knowing good and evil.

    Note :  Satan perverted Gods Truth, using enticement,

    an enticement to be as a god.

    And when the woman saw that the tree was good for

    food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree

    to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit

    thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband

    with her ; and he did eat.

    Thus, the first denomination of the Serpent.  Using

    the Word of God and perverting it.  Eve believed the

    perverting.  And since then, people have been

    listening to "other voices" other than the voice of

    the Spirit of God.

    Some are saying :  This is the way; some are saying ,

    No, this is the way.

    Jesus said :  I AM the Way , the Truth, and the Life ;

    No man cometh to the Father except through Me !

    Well, Satan wasn't through with perverting the Truth.  After the disciples received Power from

    on high, the Comforter, The Spirit of Truth, Satan began an attack to those weak in the flesh,

    and enticed them with another way of looking at things ( hath God said ). The result was heretics

    which changed the Truth into a lie, breaking away from The Way, establishing their own way, thus

    creating another denomination. And we see this throughout the history of Christianity.

    1 st.  Corinthians  1 : 10 - 13  Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus, that

    ye speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you ;  but that ye be perfectly

    joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.  For it hath been declared unto me

    that there are contentions among you.  Now this I say, that every one of you saith ;  I am of

    Paul ;  and I of Apollos :  and I of Cephas ;  and I of Christ.  Is Christ divided :  Was Paul

    crucified for you ?  Or were ye baptized in the name of Paul ?  

    Even the disciples were having problems with people trying to promote : " I belong to THIS church,

    This way of teaching, This way of believing ".  Hath God said ?

    Now I could go into the history of ALL denominations, when they came forth, and from what doctrinal

    " tree " they came from, but if I did, this would be too long of a post to hold your attention, so,

    I will leave that up to you, but encourage you to dig deep, and find where your " Hath God said "

    came from.

    Revelations  18 : 1 - 4  And after these things I saw another angel come down from

    heaven, having great power ; and the earth was lightened with his glory.  And he

    cried mightily with a strong voice, saying,  Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen,

    and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a

    cage of every unclean and hateful bird.  For all nations have drunk of the wine of

    the wrath of her FORNICATION, and the kings of the earth have committed FORNICATION

    with her, and the merc

Answer 29

I think this Pope is a crackpot and is just looking for something to do to feel important.  He makes the craziest statements and is really retrograde.  I don't normally feel anxious for someone to die but...can we depose the Pope?  Ex-communicate him?  Something? Spray him with Holy water?  He's so scary looking...!

Answer 30

Jehovah, Yahovah, Jah, the Ancient of Days, and Yahweh are names of all different Gods. And I will ignore that news as c**p, because God has a right to a name just like everybody else does.

Answer 31

I feel that it's very sad. But, they are going to do what they want anyway. They are for who or what ever has the most money. They will not stand up for what they believe either. Take the Jewish people for instance. They were right with Hitler. But, Jehovah will take care of all of that soon enough.