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Cesareans vs natural?

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what are the advatages+disadvantages of both

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  1. Natural child birth has all the advantages and  no disadvantages, unless you or your child is dying from breech position.

    C-section - has all the disadvantages, like they CUT you open and mess with your muscles and insides, with the only advantage being it might save you or your child's life.


  2. Your body is built to have babies naturally.Cesareans involve major abdominal surgery and a much much longer recovery time. Of course, cesars can save baby and mum's lives. But i don't think women should choose to have cesars out of convenience or out of fear of messing up their downstairs. Plus you have the risk of more complications if you want to give birth naturally after a cesar. Everyone is different tho, some people have a really really low pain tolerance and the sheer thought of giving birth naturally freaks them out.

  3. i think the only disadvantage of a natural birth is your baby kinda has a cone head. but that goes away really fast.

    unless you or your child could get hurt from a natural birth, you really shouldn't get a c-section.

  4. Downsides of Caesarians

    1)  Baby and mother both are drugged, and as the anaesthesia MUST be strong enough for the mother to feel no pain, you can well imagine how much of an overdose this is for the newborn.  Newborn livers do not work at their optimum efficiency and ability for weeks either (which is also why they get jaundice--b/c their livers have a hard time breaking down excess red blood cells right after birth--and so it can take them weeks to clear the anaesthesia completely from their systems.  Babies that have been anaesthetized like this a) are sluggish and tend to have low initial Apgar scores; b) often do not feed well for many days and again are hard to rouse to eat; c)  There is a STRONG and HUGE correlation between drugged births and drug addiction and ADHD later in life; Read Sondra Ray on the subject of birthing experiences and their later effects on people into adulthood; d)  Many times, drugged infants have difficulty breathing and this is worse for them, the more premature they are; The passage through the birth canal causes compression of the chest, lungs and shoulders and helps an infant to clear its lungs and breathing passages of mucous and fluid.  e)  Women have much higher incidences of postpartum depression including the very serious kind of PPD with psychosis.  The reasons for this are not entirely understood, but great disturbance of the maternal/child bond is both observed and reported.  In nature there's a concept and observance called "worrying the cow" wherein if a cow is bothered or interfered with before, during or just after birth, they will REFUSE to bond with, nurse and nourish their babies.  Human women state feeling as if they had been "robbed and violated", or "even medically raped", with some women having extreme difficulty bonding with an infant delivered this way.  And this feeling of violation and theft continues forward for their entire lives, even after they've had other children naturally (VBAC's).  We go on, and love anyway and in spite of, but we do NOT get over violation.  It causes women to not trust themselves or their bodies and is ANYTHING but an empowering experience.  Let's talk about being tied down, terrified for your life and the life of your unborn child, sometimes lied to or patronized, ripped open and completely cut off from yourself with sometimes NO TIME to integrate any part of this process.  It takes a NORMAL event and makes a horror story out of the entire thing, and FAR too many women come to find that there was no medical basis WHATSOEVER for what was done to them, and that if they had only been encouraged and supported more, or had educated themselves more, that they would have had a COMPLETELY different and much better birthing experience, as would have their babies.  Many women do not heal from this for decades, if at all.  It creates MASSIVE birth trauma for both child and mother.  And I haven't even begun to talk about the MUCH longer and more painful healing time for the mother, which also messes with the maternal/child bonding process.  You try carrying and nursing a baby while trying to heal from major abdominal surgery.  f)  Caesarian section, while it can indeed at times save the life of both mother and child, is GROSSLY over- and mis-used in this country.  It used to be that a C-sec rate higher than 20% was cause for board/peer review of an OB/Gyn or practice in this country.  There are now some practices, and not all of them specializing in High Risk pregnancies either, (which would skew the stats), nearing anywhere from a 60%-75% C-sec rate, especially on first time moms, which is a GROSS MONSTROSITY and abuse of power and exploitation of ignorance and parental vulnerability, believe you me.  Please read Silent Knife or Open Season by Nancy Wainer Cohen, anything by Sheila Kitzinger, anything by Leboyer, Midwifery Today, Parenting Magazine, Spiritual Midwifery by Ina Mae Gaskin, anything by Suzanne Arms, Alison Osbourne, Elizabeth Davis (Immaculate Deception), Penelope Leach and ANYTHING in the alternative press you can get your hands on.  If you need more info, I'll be happy to help you.  I have had 1 birth at a Birthing Center in Beverly, MA (North Shore Birthing Center), and one birth with neo-natologists in a high risk pregnancy floor in a hospital in Sacramento, CA (Sutter Memorial).  The birth (my first) at the Birthing Center with midwives is and was one of the best experiences of my life.  The birth at the hospital, with its concomitant treatment by perinatologists, not one of my better experiences or days.  The best I can tell you is we survived the experience with minimal intervention during the birth process, pretty much only because I super educated myself, fought them off LIKE h**l(including locking myself and my midwife in the bathroom for a few hours...), hired one of the best midwives in CA to be my labor coach/bodyguard, and took her with me to the hospital, and did most of my labor at a friend's house.  I refused an IV and I refused an internal fetal monitor.  I did what I had to do, but it was essentially 7 1/2 months of terror and terrorism.  Yes, birth ultimately is only one day (or four, in the case of my first child...), but it is one of the most important days of both your life and your child's, so choose exceedingly well.  Yes, obstetric emergencies can and do occur.  That's when professional intervention is necessary and life-saving.  What YOU need to educate yourself on, however, is learning to discern when something is an emergency, and when it's just a CYA knee-jerk response or a cop-out on the part of your medical professional, who'd rather be golfing.  What you don't want to have happen is the discovery of this in the L&D room while you're in the midst of titanic contractions.  Read Nancy Cohen's books!  They're the best Cesarian prevention I know of.

    Advantages of Caesarians:

    1)  They can be scheduled.

    2)  It gives the doctor something heroic to do so he or she can feel less bored at work.  Supporting a woman through labor is a lot of sitting around waiting, and not particularly interesting for some of your more "high-need-for-stimulation" doctors.  They don't do "nothing", or "do no harm" particularly well, even tho' it's in their Hypocratic Oath to "First therefore, do ye no harm...".  h**l, some of them have no ability to wait or to be "hands off" whatsoever.  Some of them are just not happy unless they're operating.  Check out the Asian OB in "Knocked Up".  He is NOT a stereotype.

    3)  Risk of litigation for less than positive outcomes or damage done in the birthing process is minimized...and don't discount this as THE driving reason for many sections.  The operating OB can then say, "We did EVERYTHING we could do, and still this happened.  Standard of care was achieved and maintained."  They rarely if ever, discuss the facts that there is an entire cascade of interventions in a hospital setting, and that one intervention lead to another, leads to another, and that most parents, especially mothers are GROSSLY undereducated and some are even not intelligent enough to realize what exactly is going on during labor.  That ignorance and lack of self-education and lack of advocacy skills is COMPLETELY capitalized on in this country, especially in teaching hospitals.  Crisis births teach a LOT more to doctors than do normal, non-complicated deliveries.  Crisis births also let doctors feel like, "See?  If it hadn't been for me, you'd have died, and your baby would have, too."  NOT, "See, I miscalculated your baby's due date and weight, induced you three weeks early when your cervix didn't begin to be ripe, had you on an internal fetal monitor for 31 hours, catheterized you b/c I didn't want you getting up out of bed, didn't let you have anything to eat or drink for 2 days, was nowhere to be found when you most needed my support, had the anaesthetist give you an epidural when you were really screaming out for support, completely didn't even bother to read your birthing plan, didn't tell you when I left the hospital and one of my colleagues took over (whom you've never met), gave you the episiotomy you said you didn't want (EVER!) because it was easier for me to use my vacuum extractor, or my forceps (fill in the blanks), OR threatened to call this a failure to progress labor after only 24 hours, citing fear of infection from ruptured membranes at 24 hours when you weren't even running a fever again wouldn't let you eat or drink anything, not even ice chips, complained about too many support people in the room or flat out refused to allow more than one in at a time...and on and on and on, including "Never told you you were a liberty to refuse to any procedure at any time.  Never told you this was your RIGHT rather than a privilege..."  Now do you get the idea?  Consider also that most moms fall between let's say 18 and 40, and my have had minimal to no medical procedures or interventions of any kind, and may mistakenly believe that doctors and nurses are their "friends" and could never do anything to hurt them, EVER.

    4)  Cuts down on time in labor and allows physician to TOTALLY control variables and outcomes (to an extent...somethings simply cannot be controlled and birth and death teach this, but try telling this to a parent of a child with a birth injury.).

    5)  Some women actually prefer to deliver by this method so they can feel they have been "delivered" or "saved" and so their vaginas remain intact.  I kid you not.

    6)  Some women feel they have received less than stellar care, unless they have had an emergency that they've needed heroic measures to be delivered from, usually by a male.  Again, I k
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