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Challange to all Global Warming Skeptics?

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I have a challenge. Since all the skeptics like to pretend that they have a good science based understanding of Global Warming and go around claiming that they proof for it is bogus, read the science below and come up with other scientific reasons beside Global Warming for observed facts. Let’s see how smart you are.

Isotopes of carbon may hold a key to determining the source of the increased carbon in the atmosphere (4,5,7). The studies are based on the ratio of the three different carbon isotopes in atmospheric CO2. Carbon has three possible isotopes: C-12, C-13 and C-14. C-12, which has 6 neutrons, is by far the most prevalent carbon isotope and is a stable isotope. Carbon 13 is also a stable isotope, but plants prefer Carbon 12 and therefore photosynthetic CO2 (fossil fuel or wood fuels) is much lower in C-13 than CO2 that comes from other sources (e.g.: animal respiration) Carbon-14 is radioactive. Studies of carbon isotopes in CO2 has resulted in the following findings.

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  1. The basis for the belief in AGW is that the earth is warming and CO2 is increasing therefore CO2 must be the main cause of the warming.

    This is not a logical thing to say especially since the optical properties of CO2 are not sufficient to cause detectable warming without the presumption of all kinds of feedback mechanisms.


  2. Challenge?

    Let me quote you:

    "Isotopes of carbon MAY hold a key to determining the source of the increased carbon in the atmosphere (4,5,7)"

    See, every one of your so-called scientific arguments always starts out with a sentence with MAY, IF, ASSUME, YADA YADA YADA

    HOW MANY IF's DOES GORE STATE IN HIS MOVIE????  I STOPPED COUNTING

    SERIOUSLY!  

    Let's assume that if any of your science is correct, well the hypothesis has distorted those facts to such an extreme that that orginal science is skewered.  YET YOU STILL THINK YOU MAKE POINTS????

  3. oh yeah, Cerbon, nitrogen, hydrogen.....they all are human thingys...discoveris or assumptions if you want to call them. How true are they, i could come up with my own element , give it a name, find some phyical properties, carry out some experiments i can create and assign those as chemical properties..............yeah, i am a chemist, a great one!

    sorry chemists, i just don't find chemistry real.....lol

  4. What is the cause of the recent cooling if CO2 levels are so high?

  5. You are a good example for somebody who gets scientific data and has serious trouble to comprehend them. One needs a lot more information to analyze and predict our climate. Our experts can't foresee what weather, rain. hurricanes we have in a week, in a year.

  6. Wow!  All those facts and still no one knows if it will be warmer or colder next year.

  7. Global warming is a myth. It is really negative global cooling resulting in not more higher temperatures, but fewer lower temperatures.

    In addition, the oceans aren't rising, the land is sinking.

    Global warming must be fake because I don't like Al Gore.

    Science is an illusion. If science "proves" something, it must be fake.

    I'm paid by the energy industry to post their claims, so I must be smarter than all of the scientists in the world.

    Not all scientists agree. Some dead scientists like Einstein and Newton never mentioned global warming. If they didn't know about it, then it must be fake.

    There isn't less ice in the artic, there is just more water between the ice.

    The permafrost is melting because igloos are now heated by solar power in the winters.

    Glaciers are not melting. They are just being removed by tourists are souveniers.

    I know someone who had a cousin who had a college degree from a community college. That makes me a climate expert.

    How can the world be warming if it is cooler in NY in January than it was in July?

    Greenland was named Greenland by Vikings trying to disguise how cold and icy it was. A name creates reality. Therefore Greenland used to be warmer. How else do you explain why the Vikings in Greenland all froze to death?

    The Sun is putting out less heat. Therefore, the earth must be warming.

    The CO2 in the atmosphere has never been this high. Therefore, it is a natural cycle. Since it is a natural cycle, it doesn't matter if coasts flood, crops fail, and most people die.

    Did I miss any?

  8. Wow, for once I agree with Dana, kind of.  All except for that last sentence.

    EDIT:  While I don't agree with Samantha's whole premise, I have to acknowledge greatness when I see it.  This line is pure greatness:

    "Global warming is a myth. It is really negative global cooling resulting in not more higher temperatures, but fewer lower temperatures."

  9. Lets get some basic science corrected

    C has 6 protons

    C-12 has 6 protons and 6 neutrons makes up 99% of all the carbon

    C-13 has 6 protons and 7 neutrons  is about 1% of the carbon in the world

    C-14 has 6 protons and 8 neutrons is trace amounts that is in parts per trillions

    Plants don't give a hoot about the type of carbon.  In fact the consumation of C-14 helps in the determination of the age of dead plant by measuring of the amount of C-14 and calculate back to when the plant was alive.

    So you are starting off on false information therefore you need to go back and regroup.

  10. So, all your rant proves is that the amount of CO2 has increased in the past 200 years which is to be expected with the industrial age.  Your rant doesn't proof or disproof that the increase in CO2 is what is causing the raise in temperature.  If you take a look at the ratio of man made to natural green house gases including water vapor it is like 5% man made to 95% natural.  Also, since there have been times in the recent past ( less than 4000 years ago) when temperatures have been warmer than current temperatures I have a hard time believing all of the man made global warming hype.

  11. A very calm and erudite discussion of isotopes is a rant, huh?  I did not know that!

    Yes Samantha, you missed one.  I read one of them suggesting that Global Warming was caused by the Earth moving closer to the sun due to the weight of the larger human population today.  I asked her if she thought having all the people of the earth jump in the air at the same time would help?

  12. Global Warming is a bunch of hog-wash, thats wut i tink at least!!!

  13. I don't think very many 'skeptics' challenge the fact that the increased atmospheric concentration of CO2 is due to humans burning fossil fuels.  What they challenge is that this increase is the cause of the recent warming.

    They don't have very valid reasons for challenging this, but that's the issue they dispute.

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