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(Chat): Is Taiwan still part of China? Because I ask some of Chinese friends, and they said Taiwan...

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They said Taiwan was still part of China, and some of the international politician had also said the same thing on internet. So that confused me, maybe Taiwan is trying to divide from China, but have not confirm by Internationally... I am come a little country called Croatia, so I don't know a lot about this, What do you American think of this? You can post your comment as answer, so that I can know more about this event. Thank you!

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  1. Taiwan is a breakaway province of China.

    China's official position is that it's still part of the mainland.

    Taiwan says (quietly) that it's independent.

    They've pretty much agreed to disagree at this point.


  2. In order to examine this question rationally, we first have to look at the issue of Taiwan's "territorial sovereignty." (This is not to be confused with "popular sovereignty." Many people confuse the two concepts.)

    On Sept. 2, 1945, General Douglas MacArthur issued General Order No. 1 directing Chiang Kai-shek of the Republic of China to go to Taiwan to accept the surrender of Japanese troops.

    The surrender ceremonies of Oct. 25, 1945, in Taipei marked the beginning of the military occupation of Taiwan. None of the Allies recognized that there was any "transfer of the territorial sovereignty of Taiwan" to China on that date. Indeed, international law does not allow such an interpretation.

    Looking at the relevant treaties, two are most important. The relevant articles are discussed below:

    * Article 2b of the San Francisco Peace Treaty of April 28, 1952, states: Japan renounces all right, title and claim to Formosa and the Pescadores.

    However, no "receiving country" was specified for this territorial cession.

    * Article 2 of the Sino-Japanese Peace Treaty of Aug. 5, 1952, states: It is recognised that under Article 2 of the Treaty of Peace which Japan signed at the city of San Francisco on 8 September 1951 (hereinafter referred to as the San Francisco Treaty), Japan has renounced all right, title, and claim to Taiwan (Formosa) and Penghu (the Pescadores) as well as the Spratley Islands and the Paracel Islands.

    Basically speaking, this Sino-Japanese Peace Treaty (aka Treaty of Taipei) of Aug. 5, 1952, merely recognizes the legal arrangements previously made in the SFPT.

    In summary, there are no treaty provisions which have ever transferred the territorial sovereignty of Taiwan to China. Since the Republic of China has never held the territorial sovereignty of Taiwan, so of course the "Republic of China on Taiwan" cannot be considered a sovereign independent nation, and cannot be admitted to the United Nations.

    At the same time, we must realize that "Taiwan" is just a geographic term, there is no nation in the world today called "Republic of Taiwan" or anything similar.

    Thus, according to the above analysis, the ROC on Taiwan is not holding legal title to the territory of "Formosa and the Pescadores," and therefore cannot be considered to have the defined territory necessary for statehood. The US State Dept. has pointed this out on many occasions by saying that "Taiwan does not enjoy sovereignty as a nation."

    Also, on August 30, 2007, Dennis Wilder, National Security Council (NSC) Senior Director for Asian Affairs stated:

    "Taiwan, or the Republic of China, is not at this point a state in the international community. The position of the United States government is that the ROC -- Republic of China -- is an issue undecided, and it has been left undecided, as you know, for many, many years."

    These comments correspond to the fact that Taiwan is still occupied territory in the current era, and has not yet reached a "final political status." Taiwan is neither part of any other country nor is it a sovereign independent nation.

    More specifically, Taiwan is not a part of China.


  3. yes taiwan is part of china

  4. The Republic of China and the People's Republic of China were one country.  They fought a civil war.  At the 'end' of that war, one side controlled the mainland and one the island we refer to as Taiwan.  Technically, since neither side has declared independence, they are still one country.  Saying that Taiwan is part of China is no more correct than saying that China is part of Taiwan.  If anything, Taiwan has a more valid claim.  The legitimate government went there, and has resided there ever since.  The communist leaders were able to take over the majority of the country, but failed to ever completely overthrow the government.  

    Analogy if you know much of America's independence:  If America never declared independence, and simply went about their lives after kicking the loyalist forces out.....that wouldn't make Britain part of America.  

  5. Still officaly part of China but li8ek Tibet western countries veiw it as their own nation however the Chinese military is keeping them on a leech for now....but another Taiwan vote for independance is going to be held in 2-4 years it lost last time 51-49 but the US points to the fact that the Chinese military was molobising for an invasion if the vote passed but the US called it intedmation and call for another vote and the US,Nato,Japan and Eu have agreed to support Taiwan if the Chinese do invade.....also the US is supplying the Taiwan military with weapons....

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