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Christians: Do you believe that we have control over the elements?

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My mom was watching the 700 Club last night and this story comes on about this woman that spoke to a river to stop a flood.

http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/Amazing/Lois_Ryder042806.aspx

http://www.cbn.com/media/browse_videos_info.aspx?s=/vod/KH67v2

Pat makes a comment after the story that we have power over the elements in Jesus's name. If this is so, couldn't that be considered witchcraft? I mean, witches deal with the elements.

(I know someone is going to make a comment like witches don't believe in God. Well, some do. They call themselves Christian witches.)

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  1. Heh.

    This is why religion is bad for humanity.

    The stories and reliance on second hand testimony is ridiculous.

    Its like the story in Joshua 10.  God stops the earth from rotating for a day?  So that Joshua can finish killing the Amorites?

    Comeon....


  2. God alone has all power.  We hold nothing.

  3. All  things  were  created  by  faith.Study  faith.The  BIBLE  says   if  you  have  faith  as  a  grain  of  mustard  seed  you  can  say  unto  this  mountain   by  thou  plucked  up  and  put  over  there.What  did  you  think  JESUS    was  lying.JESUS    told  the  storm  to  be  still,and  it  ceased.The  apostle  marveled  at  that  they  said  even  the  elements  are  at  his  command.JESUS   said  greater  things  than  these  shall  ye  do.Study  acts   and  the  new  testament.Those  with  the  SPIRIT  OF  JESUS   were  doing  all  manner  of  miracles.Heres   the  problem  the  world  lacks  faith.We  all  lack  faith.Faith  cometh  by  hearing  and  hearing  the  word  of  GOD.This  then  is  proof  that  the  WORD  OF    GOD  ISN'T  BEING  TAUGHT  MUCH.The  world  and  all  of  us  lack  faith.Now  many  are  playing  church   and  for  money  are  giving  a  good  show.The  antichrist  is  going  to  utilize   computer  generated    action  videos   to  fool  the  world  into  thinking  he  is  GOD.JESUS    himself  said  that  his  children  could  do  all  things  in  his  name  and  faith  in  that  name.Its  our  faith  in  him  that  brings  about  the  miraculous.So  in  away  we  don't  of  ourselves  but  with  CHRIST  ALL  THINGS  ARE  POSSIBLE.    THANK  YOU    D'S

  4. We are not in control of anything. God is.

    I don't know..but it's very possible that the devil could have made the river stop so to make the woman think that she could have power of elements.


  5. Think about this"  If we could control the elements by prayer or jumping up and down, it would create chaos in the universe.

    Example if I could pray and change the course of tropical depression Gustav, then you prayed and changed it again and someone in Michigan prayed and sent it back south and you  prayed to have all the stop lights turn green for you and your neighbor prayed that Gustav would hit Bermuda and you prayed for dry weather and your wife prayed for wet weather and on and on and on.

    Natural events follow rules, not whims and prayers

  6. Where there is love, there can be no secrets.

  7. No we dont.  If you try it you will see that you have no power.  The Lord rebuked the waves and wind during his earthly ministry and made the raging storm cease.  He also gave some powers to his disciples, the 12, for a time, but after the Jews finally rejected Him as Messiah these powers stopped.   The Apostle Paul, for example, could heal people in the earlier parts of Acts, but later on he could not and only offerred advice for their health.

  8. Yes we can control the elements just watch Avatar the last airbender

  9. God has control over the elements in Jesus's name but your faith has to be genuine and pure. Healing the sick does happen today when people pray in Jesus's name. Miracles still happen today in Jesus's name. Sometimes God does not heal certain sicknesses but God has His reasons.

    This is all different from YOU trying to control the elements. Any power over the elements that does not come from God comes from the devil. For example, if you tried doing telekinesis just to see if you can do it, you have to question yourself what is the REAL reason you are trying to do it!! Most of the time it is a self-glorifying reason such as feel like you are powerful or even better than someone else. That is clearly not of the Holy Spirit and yes that certainly is witchcraft.

    This is why when you perform miracles you must seek Jesus to perform it. Faith in Jesus is first on the list.  

  10. tks for the link.

    i read through the whole text that neither in the article itself gives me any impression of witchcraft.

    its an helpless old woman who earnestly seek god help to protect her family business and god hear her and more than willing to do the extraordinary feat to fulfil her request. as for her talking with the river. its just like we talk to our pet dog.in the entire article she placed her faith and hope in god as she know this is a flood that she experienced before and it implicate a $200 000 damage.

    her last sentence says it best lest some of us wonder how much faith is needed :

    “I believe that it is really necessary to have faith. You don’t have to talk a lot; you don’t have to do a lot, but you gotta mean what you say and you gotta believe in it.”

    thus with relations to the question, it should be god has the control of elements and he hears our plead. when we prayed and situation seems to be good, we must have faith in god. meanwhile we do what we could.

  11. I know people who watch these programs and think the same thing but I do not believe it. I wish people would not be on TV misleading people. It is sad because the person who thinks this had a terrible illness and would not go to the Dr because she kept quoting "by His stirpes I am healed" I do not belive that scripture means I tried to tell her but the 700 club has her mind.....

  12. No, I don't believe that at all, my friend...............God - alone - is in charge of ALL things..................

    God Bless...................

  13. The difference is all in who we think is in control.

    What is witchcraft but endeavoring to wield supernatural powers, like God, to accomplish not God's desires, but our own desires.

    Many people mistakenly believe that Moses parted the waters and the Israelites crossed over safely.  The text clearly says that God parted the water, not Moses.  This is not witchcraft or sinful because it is a miracle from God.

    On the other hand there was a point when God told Moses to speak to a rock so that water will flow out of it and the people could drink it.  Moses was upset with the people's constant complaining and mistakenly struck the rock and claimed the miracle for himself.  Now while most people would not call this witchcraft, it is taking credit for the work of God, and it is an ill advised activity.

    Christ said that with God all things are possible. I believe that.  I believe God can topple mountains and change the course of floods, etc.  But we had better be ready to give the glory of those miracles to God less we pretend to be gods ourselves.

    It is the original temptation, "eat the fruit and you will become like God".  A very effective temptation but of course, a lie.  

    It is not power, supernatural or otherwise, that corrupts, man is already depraved, we only need the greatest tools in order to accomplish the greatest evils.


  14. NO...We dont have control over anything...We have the power of prayer and Christ has the power of control

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