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Cloning, what do you think

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how do you feel about cloning?

I personally think it will "in the end" kill us all...somehow.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080805/ap_on_sc/skorea_cloned_dogs

Just because it/they look the same doesn't mean they act the same or will even be the same pet/person. What do you think of the whole subject?

PLEASE DO NOT BE RUDE OR DISS ON OTHER PEOPLES OPINIONS. I am asking for your opinions so that means no one can be wrong and best answer is someone who stands out and for what they believe or provides good source or meaning...we will just have to see what you all say! thanks in advance

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/promos/wirepicks/story/435473.html

http://www.bionetonline.org/english/content/sc_cont5.htm

http://www.topics-mag.com/edition5/clone-vera.htm

i see it good for parts like lungs and such for sick people but then again it didn't go so well in "the island" (i know it is just a movie) LOL

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  1. That's awesome

    We already clone plants, it's a pretty common thing.  You don't hear people raising a stink bout it, and you don't see big problems coming from it.

    If you want to argue it would be different for animals, then you have to come up with a reason why, other than 'I just don't like it.'  The end product - the animal - is the same whether it was cloned or conceived naturally.  There is no difference.  The only difference is in your (and others) mind.  It's your prejudice, your inability to get over the idea that it was cloned.

    It's not the animal that was cloned who will have to worry about being a clone.  It's the other people who think everything should conform to their own beliefs.

    If a cloned person has to deal with being an outcast, it will not be because he's different.  It will be because of people who can't get over their own prejudices.  I think we would be doing better to get rid of our prejudices, rather then get rid of those who are prejudiced against.

    Besides, what's sexual conception and birth anyways, other than a mechanical process that just so happens to occur naturally.  What makes it so special and so much better?  Just because it's natural?  I guess we should get rid of cars, telephones, and air conditioning too, then.


  2. I'm against cloning. Imagine, 2 of each person, OMG, there would be a lot of problems.

  3. i agree w/ u.  

  4. OK so you nicely asked for people to not be rude or diss others and clearly xyzpdqfoo decided to be a d**k about his opinion. I see your point and I see his/hers a little. But he didn't have to go and thumbs down people he didn't like...what an a**hole...You say what you think and move on, dude you need relax!!  

  5. First, just let me say: thank nature for people like "xyzpdgfo" who clearly doesn't get his/her information (which is, by the way, absolutely correct) from sources like the government, church, and from Hollywood propaganda.

    The government and the church tells us that no human beings have been cloned. So, if that is true, than what do we have to base our opinins on?  Until human cloning is successfully achieved and evaluated over a period of time, we have "nothing," no empirical data in which to form an opinion as to if human cloning is actually good or bad thing for humanity.  As such, people are forming opinions about a complex biological processed based upon nothing more than what the media has programmed them to believe.  On the other hand, human twin studies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_studie... , along with developments in research into the quantum nature of consciousness, suggest that a true human clone would be far more than just a delayed twin.  That, in all likelihood, as the cloned individual matures, they and their genomic donor will become one and the same person.  The same conscious individual, indentical in every way except one biological cloned entity would be years younger than the other.

    If that should prove true, and I firmly believe that it will, it would change everything---which is exactly what the government and the church do not want; thus, the ban on human cloning.  It would most likely be the best way to extend the useful human life span and open the door to true exploration of our universe.  Human cloning is a technology that is decades and decades ahead of its time.

    Now, the problems that has shown up in "some" of the early cloned animals: these are the result of a lack of experience in cloning techniques and, using a technique that is still incomplete.  With just a couple of minor alterations to the standard cloning method, it will be possible to produce "perfect" cloned animals and people with minimum of risk to health and require a minimum of cloned eggs and embryos.

    Nuclear Reprogramming of Somatic Cells by Embryonic Stem Cells is Affected by Cell Cycle Stage

    http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10....

    Somatic Cell Cloning: The Ultimate Form of Nuclear Reprogramming?

    http://jasn.asnjournals.org/cgi/reprint/...

    See: Human Cloning Commentary

    http://www.reproductivecloning.net/open/...

    O.A.K. Embryonic Holography

    http://www.geocities.com/nwbotanicals1/o...

    Quantum Mind -- Wikipedia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiQuantum...

    Biosystems as conscious holograms

    http://www.emergentmind.org/PDF_files.ht...

    A PRIMARY QUANTUM MODEL OF TELEPATHY

    http://www.parapsych.org/papers/44.pdf.

    ANIMAL CLONING: The Science of Nuclear Transfer

    by Joseph Panno, Ph.D.

    ISBN: 0-8160-6882-7

    CLONING: of Frogs, Mice, and Other Animals

    by Robert Gilmore McKinnell

    ISBN: 0-8166-1360-5

    CLONING: The Road To Dolly, And The Path Ahead

    by Gina Kolata

    ISBN: 0-688-15692-4

    ENTANGLED MINDS: Extrasensory Experiences In A Quantum Reality

    by Dean Radin

    ISBN: 13-978-1-4165-1677-4




  6. Identical twins are ALREADY clones of each other, and have not spelled the collapse of human society.

    There are certainly ethical issues associated with the idea of human cloning, but they have nothing to do with apocalyptic predictions.

    There are only a couple of possible reasons that I can see to make a clone of a human:

    [1] to "ressurrect" a deceased loved one. As you point out, this would NOT work.

    [2] to provide genetically-compatible tissues and organs for organ donation. This IS a scientific possibility, but could also be considered morally repugnant, depending how it was done. Something similar is already happening, with parents deliberately conceiving another child by IVF (and screening the prospective embryos for a compatible one) in order to provide, for example, a bone marrow donour for a dying elder sibling.

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    Edit:

    x ShaM x states that cloning animals results in animals with "severe genetic defects". This is totally untrue!

    Dolly the Sheep - the first cloned mammal - was perfectly genetically healthy. She died of a common virally-caused lung disease that domesticated sheep are very prone to, and a necropsy conducted after her death showed no malformations or abnormalities.

    xyzpdqfoo points out that we have been cloning plants for a long time. This is perfectly true.

    I would like to point out also that plants have been cloning THEMSELVES for even longer. Many plants reproduce asexually by "vegetative propagation" (like spiderplants sending out those shoots with baby spiderplants on the end). Each new plant produced in this manner is a clone of the original plant. There are also many animals which can and do reproduce by asexual means, resulting in a clone of the parent (aphids, for example, do this frequently).

  7. Personally i agree with u.. n there's going to be a lot of different opinions arising on the subject..

    I wocontroversialhe ways cloning is carried out: Embryo, Reproductive and Therapeutic Cloning.

    Embryo Cloning: In this procedure, identical twins are produced, basically by reproducing how twins are created naturally. A few cells are extracted from a fertilized embryo, which are induced to develop into duplicate embryos. The twins that are thus formed have identical DNA. Although this procedure has been used on various animal species, LIMITED EXPERIMENT DONE ON HUMANS. So how can we determine any problems that may arise

    Reproductive Cloning: In this procedure, the DNA is removed from an ovum and replaced with the DNA extracted from a cell taken from an adult animal. Next, the fertilized ovum, which is called a pre-embryo now, is implanted in a womb, which then develops into a new animal. Thus, this procedure basically produces a duplicate of an existing person. Based on studies done on animals, it results in animals being born with SEVERE GENETIC DEFECTS. This is the main reason why many in the medical field think it to be a profoundly UNETHICAL procedure to be carried out on humans.

    Therapeutic Cloning: The initial stages of this procedure are practically the same as Reproductive Cloning. However, in this, the stem cells are extracted from the pre-embryo, with the intention of generating a whole organ or tissue, so that it can be transplanted back into the person who gave the DNA. The pre-embryo, however, dies during the process. The aim of therapeutic cloning is to create a healthy organ or tissue of a sick person, in order to transplant it into them, instead of relying on organs from other people. [I think this is acceptable... The benefits outweigh the risks]

    If a clone is created from an existing person, who is the parent?

    Will cloned children face any social repercussions? If so, what?

    Can cloned children be manipulated to become monsters, like Hitler, or slaves, as is explored in Brave New World?

    Is  cloning humans "playing God?"


  8. Cloning of people will never happen, i'd be willing to bet everything I own on it. It has never happen and it never will. Cloning organs and tissues of a human is very helpful.

  9. *i think cloning is a terrible way of life.

    *that is playing GOD

    *that one guy is a jerk off, rude person who downs others that don't agree with him!

    *and...i think they should focus all the money and knowledge on helping the problems and doing useful things other than possibly dangering others with cloning!! that is crazy...seriously go cure cancer and shittt

    people that lose a loved one need to cope and move on!

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