Could somebody please tell me how to retrofit a fuel injected gasoline engine to make it run on hydrogen.?

Question

Lets take the problem of producing cheap hydrogen out of the equation and focus on making the engine run on hydrogen. On my previous question somebody told me I need a propane carburetor like the one use in propane fork lifts. Another one said I need a porcelain block engine, stainless valves, stainless piston rings, stainless compression rings, stainless pistons, stainless piston arms, stainless crankshaft, stainless spart plugs. This all means that when hydrogen burns its converted to water vapor and it will corrode all the internal parts. What I need to know now is are those parts commercially available at a local auto parts store. Does anybody know how much would I need to make this happen. How is it that a lot of people are claiming they have no problems making their engine run on hydrogen and they did not change much like changing almost the whole engine. How did they deal with the problem of the water vapor washing away the oil that lubricates the internal parts?

Answer 1

isnt hydrogen a bit dangerous?  i mean if you filled your tank with it and you crashed your car isnt there a chance of your car exploding?

Answer 2

Young man,

  It is simpler and more power efficient if you just go to a fuel cell, for two reasons

  1. you lose less energy in a fuel cell to mechanical losses

   2. the KISS principle. 2 tanks 1 fuel cell a battery to store excess energy, a resistor to control speed and an electric motor.

   Hydrogen gas is a very tricky thing to work with. follow NASA's lead with the fuel cell you will get better mileage and all the fresh water to drink to boot.

   I have worked with H2 and if you don’t know what you are doing it is very easy to get "burned" Don’t try to convert a car to burn H2 via some chemical gas process. One of the by products for any of these is either a strong acid or base. They forget to tell you have to dispose of this from time to time. And it can’t go down the drain.

Answer 3

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let me start off by saying Hydrogen is a great option for the concept of free energy. I built my first hydrogen cell about 5 years ago. Have converted over 50 vehicles in the last 10 years (hydrogen and EV) and now currently run 2 trucks (and another EV), my home hot water heater, home stove and home generator on hydrogen for free with caught rain water and the help of a $10 solar panel. I offer a step by step DIY guide to walk anyone interested threw the process. You can find it at www agua-luna com or you can email me.

the only thing i've had to do is replace one cars exaust pipes because of corrosion, but it was a 1982 and may have needed replacment anyway.

There are basically 3 safe ways to make and use it... chemically, electrically and molecularly, the first 2 being easier so I'll only discuss them here. The fallowing steps were taking directly out of a DIY guide I offer to those who would like to run their vehicles or home on hydrogen safely. The entire guide is available at www agua-luna com

On demand h2 generators are a bit different from the Hollywood versions like seen Chain Reaction with Keanu Reeves, that tend to explode violently every time a film is being made. However when used in an on-demand system there is no storage of hydrogen and oxygen in its gas form, only liquid (water) and is only transformed into gas “on-demand” in small cylinder size amounts. It’s actually safer then gasoline as it doesn’t evaporate, creating explosive fumes in the tank like gas. the following were actually taken out of my $5 guide available at www agua-luna com

Chemically

1. You’ll need a 6inch x 1ft schedule 40 pvc pipe. With pvc cement glue a cap on the bottom and use a s***w on cap for the top. Drill a small hole (1/4inch or so) in the side close to the top, s******g in a small copper shut off valve. Place a few feet of stranded (food grade is good) flex hose to the valve and into the air intake of your engine (carburetor or fuel injections).

2. Now crunch up a couple aluminum cans (beer cans, soda cans etc) and drop them into the pvc pipe, along with a couple cups of lye (Red Devil drain opener has lye in it, some Clorox and Drano’s do to).

3. Then simply add water, s***w on the top and wait a few minutes.

What happens in simplicity is that aluminum and lye don’t really get along so they battle, and as always the innocent civilians (water H2O) that the most casualties, by giving up its hydrogen and oxygen. This then builds up in the void of the pipe and is ready to be vented into your engine, by opening the valve. You may need to start your engine on gas then switch it off after the hydrogen starts burning.

Electrical is a bit easier then Chemically.

1. Simply take a small solar panel 1.5 amps is what I use ($9 at harborfreight.com), connect the 2 wires from the panel +- to 2 conductors (carbon cores of batteries work well, just be careful removing it from the jacket), but any conductive material will work ie. Copper, aluminum, steel, etc.

2. Drop the wires into a water tank (I use 55gal drums), make sure they don’t touch each other.

3. Drill a small hole (1/4inch or so) in the side close to the top, s******g in a small copper shut off valve. Place a few feet of stranded (food grade is good) flex hose to the valve and into the air intake of your engine (carburetor or fuel injections).

4. Then simply add water, s***w on the top cap and wait.

After a few hours tiny bubbles will form and rise off one conductor (that’s hydrogen) and even smaller bubbles that just looks like foam will rise off the other (oxygen). I don’t remember which likes the positive and which likes the neg hydrogen or the oxygen.

The third method is more complicated and is what I use for my vehicles. It’s just a modified Joe’s Cell, there’s a step by step DIY guide available to walk you threw the process here www agua-luna com

It also covers the other 2 methods described in more detail.

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Hope this helped, feel free to contact me personally if you have any questions if you’d like assistance in making your first self sufficient steps, I’m willing to walk you step by step threw the process. I’ve written several how-to DIY guides available at www agua-luna com on the subject. I also offer online and on-site workshops, seminars and internships to help others help the environment.

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Answer 4

You do need a gas injector, not that hard to find if you can get passed all the spammers sell kits to run your car off of water, designed to use hydrogen. You might be able to use a propane conversion kit to convert an engine. Some kits will let you run either propane or hydrogen. Hydrogen has some special requirements over running on propane. Hydrogen is very susceptible to pre-ignition so special care is necessary to avoid backfires and such.  Hydrogen is also much tougher on injectors than carbon fuels because it's much drier (it doesn't carry as many lubricants) and leads to faster wear on the injectors. So the injectors are very close to the intake valve to help prevent backfire.

No you don’t need a porcelain block, stainless piston arms, etc. Yes hydrogen is converted in to water vapor, but so is gasoline, if the engine is allowed to warm up you won’t have a problem (just like a gasoline engine).

Here’s a link to someone who did it.

http://www.clean-air.org/Hydrogen%20Comm...

It’s not cheap but here’s another link http://www.hydrogennow.org/links.html

And it might get you going in the right direction.

Oh before I forget, you're doing this on an older car or truck right? The electronics on a modern car or truck probable won’t like hydrogen and could give you a lot of problems, but if you’re working on a pre-computer engine you should have too many problems.

Answer 5

The whole premise of running cars on hydrogen is that you can't get enough range or quick enough recharge for an electric car.

The tesla car, 100% electric, which is going into production this month has a 220 mile range today.  Batteries almost have the range (about 2/3s) of a gas cars.  Charging times still need to come down or a battery swapping plan, but those would happen faster/cheaper than the hydrogen infrastructure will.