Could someone help me with my genealogy? Hitting a brick wall.?

Question

I am trying to find parents of Isaac Osman from Shamokin, PA, Northumberland Co.

He was born in Nov 1846 and died 12 Nov 1906. I have tons of info on his Wife Harriet S. Bordner, and his children,Emma M, Minnie N, William F, Alice L, but I can't seem to find any info about his parents/grandparents.

His wife Harriet was remarried to a Frank E. Osman after his death so it is possible that he and Frank were brothers, or related.

The rumor is that either Isaacs dad or grandfather came from Turkey but I cant prove this either.

In 1860 there are 2 records for Isaac Osman in Pennsylvania, 1 born abt 1855 and 1 (below) born abt 1848. I imagine the 1848 one is probably the one I want as the cencus says:

John Osman 40 PA

Mary A Osman 40 PA

John Osman 16 PA

Isaac Osman 12 PA

Mary Miller 15

I am looking for a document that says Issac's dad was John before I call it a possitive match. So far I havent found any record of Isaac that lists his dads name.

Thank You!

Answer 1

I did a search on www.familysearch.org and it came up with a marriage for Johan Osmon to Mary Ann Bretz  in 1845 in PA.

I also found this on the site named above.

  Isaac Edward Osman

   Male  

  Birth:  21 MAY 1848  Harrisburg, Dauphin, Pennsylvania

Christening:    

Death:  16 DEC 1880  

Burial:  

Parents:

  Father:  Johan Osman

  Mother:  Mary Ann Bretz Osman

Children

1.   John Bretz Osman  

   Male  

Birth:  01 MAY 1844  Harrisburg, Dauphin, Pennsylvania

Christening:    

Death:  06 APR 1863  

Burial:    

  

2.   Isaac Edward Osman

   Male  

Birth:  21 MAY 1848  Harrisburg, Dauphin, Pennsylvania

Christening:    

Death:  16 DEC 1880  

Burial:

Answer 2

www.familysearch.org--1880 census

Isaac OSMAN

Other Information:

    Birth Year <1847>  

    Birthplace PA  

    Age 33  

    Occupation Farmer  

    Marital Status--Married  

    Race White  

    Head of Household Isaac OSMAN

    Relation Self  

    Father's Birthplace PA  

    Mother's Birthplace PA  

Census Place-- Shamokin, Northumberland, Pennsylvania

Harriet S. OSMAN

Birth Year <1855>  

    Birthplace PA  

    Age 25  

    Occupation Keeping House  

Children:  ( Name-relation-marital status-s*x-race-age-where born-parents born)

Emma M. OSMAN   Dau   S   Female   W   8   PA      PA   PA  

Minnie N. OSMAN   Dau   S   Female   W   4   PA      PA   PA  

William F. OSMAN   Son   S   Male   W   3   PA      PA   PA  

Alice L. OSMAN   Dau   S   Female   W   10M   PA  

www.ancestry.com--1900 census

Name:  Isaac Osman,age 53

Spouse:  Harriet ,age 47

Birth:  abt 1847 - Pennsylvania

Residence:  1900 - Portage, Cambria, Pennsylvania

   Others in household:

Name: Treon Charles Osman --Boarder, age 27

         William Osman--Son, age 23

        Cora Osman--Granddaughter, age 3

        Charles Osman--Son, age 14

         Elmer Osman--Son, age 17

Frank E. OsmUn--Harriet's other husband; notice difference in last name spelling.

Birth:  3 Mar 1861 ,Northumberland Co., Pa.  

Death:  11 Dec 1914 ,Pennsylvania  

Treon Osman

Parents:  Isaac Osman  &  Harriet S. Bordner

Birth:  Dec. 1873

(wonder why 1900 census lists him as a "Boarder" if he were their son??)

John Osman (shown as a son here)

Parents:  Isaac Osman  &  Harriet S. Bordner

Death: Shamokin

I don't know if this is from your submission to ancestry.com, but I found it in their One World Tree pages about Harriet:

    Frank E. OSMAN

s*x: M

Birth: 3 MAR 1861 in Northumberland Co., PA

Death: 11 DEC 1914 in PA

Marriage 1 Harriet S. BORDNER b: ABT. 1853 in Shamokin, PA

Married: WFT Est. **1873-1903 (**going just by this year in the estimate, Frank would have only been 12 years old, and Harriet,20--a bit of robbing the cradle, so to speak)

www.familysearch.org--1880 census

Frank OSMAN

Birth Year 1862  

    Birthplace PA  

    Age 18  

    Occupation-- Coal Miner  

    Marital Status-- Single

    Race --White  

    Head of Household --Charles MARTZ

    **Relation Stepson  

    Father's Birthplace-- PA  

    Mother's Birthplace-- PA  (her name--Matilda)

Census Place-- 4th Ward, Shamokin, Northumberland, PA

Alternate spelling of Frank's last name--OSMUN--shows Jacob OSMUN as his father and mother as Matilda OSMUN. Frank's occupation, with this last name spelling, is  "At Home" , but as OSMAN, he's a "Coal Miner" at the same age.

Answer 3

If he died in 1906, have you gotten his death certificate, or checked to see if there was one? That is the most logical way. Depending on the ages of his children in 1906, if they were minors, they may have a guardian apptd.  If it shows to be a brother of his, then you could also try to find a death record for that person (to connect from the side).

It also is possible that the only record you will find with the father, could be the census.

Answer 4

Hi Adam, I found your message on the boards at GenForum, and your public family tree on Ancestry!  :o)

Have been searching and didn't get any further than you have - - all the census records I've looked at for Osman in PA show PA or NY as birthplaces, even for those born in the early 1800's.  It could be that the Turkey "rumor" is really for an ancestor further back in your family tree:

OSMAN Name Meaning and History

1.  Turkish: from the Turkish personal name Osman, Turkish form of Arabic ?Uthman. This was the name of the third of the ‘rightly guided’ khalifs (ruled 644–656), one of the ten Companions of the Prophet Muhammad, to whom he gave the good news of entering into paradise.

2.  English: variant of Osmond.

3.  Dutch: from a Germanic personal name composed of the elements ans ‘god’ + man ‘man’.

4.  Dutch: occupational name for an ox driver, from os ‘ox’, ‘bullock’ + man ‘man’.

5.  German (Osmann): variant of Ossmann (see Ossman).

6.  Jewish (eastern Ashkenazic): of uncertain origin; perhaps a variant of Oshman or Hausman.

Best of luck, I tried!

Answer 5

Try www.rootsweb.com. You can type in his name in the search area and then go to the WorldConnect result, if you get one, there are lists of family trees that other people did that you might find his name in.

I have family that is from the Enola area and found a lot of good information about my great-great-great- grandparents through the World Connect link.

Also if you go the the Pennsylvania's Department of Health site they have a whole page with information on how to obtain birth/death/marriage records...I found it very useful.

Good Luck

Answer 6

A Historical Society in that area is your best bet to get solid answers.