Debate about the Royal Family?

Question

Do you think the Royal family isnt the true royal at all. Do you think it got lost in time?

I think the royal family is a lie and they are not the true royal tell me your thoughts?

Answer 1

There should be no royal family. The best way to get rid of it is to stop funding it. England is still in the middle ages.

Answer 2

Who cares...she is afterall the direct decendants of anointed sovereigns...which is exactly what the first/origional family was anyway, just someone who got anointed by the pope.

Answer 3

They just got that title from the ancestors who probably cheated there way up.......

Answer 4

They are all inscest.

Answer 5

Absolutely, most royal houses that survived today are most unlikely to have been a direct descendant to the very first founder of its throne. If you look through any royal family tree, you will discover that ever few hundred years, the name of the ruling royal house switches to another, an older branch of the family dies out, and a new one sprouts in its place.

There were bound to be times when they had succession crisis, when a young King died without issue or the king only had one daughter to succeed him. During ancient times, the mortality rate of offspring was incredibly high. Miscarriages and stillbirths were also high among the royal family due to incest and poor medical care. So producing a healthy male heir or any royal children was in fact a difficult task. Also, due to poor medical care, people died all the time of diseases and injuries, and it was impossible to guarantee any royal children of surviving into adulthood and taking the crown.

Obviously, there were royal family members fighting over the crown, so killing and murdering of legitimate successors was also very common. Succession laws prevented certain rightful heirs to succeed its crown, such as due to religion and/or its illegitimate birth.

According to English history, the first King of England is probably Aelle (AD 477). He was King of the Suth Seax (South Saxons,) King of Sussex in Southern England and the first true English King, and our current Queen Elizabeth II is definitely not a direct descendant through him, she may (or maybe not) be related to him through another distant-distant branch of the family tree.

No monarchy standing today was from an unbreakable royal family, and by that I mean from father to son and made it all the way throughout history until modern time.

Answer 6

Although I can't speak for Aelle, Queen Elizabeth II IS a direct descendant of Ecgbert, generally considered the first King of England (although there were still other little kingdoms at the time in what is now England).  It goes like this:

ECGBERT

       |

AETHELWULF

       |

ALFRED

       |

EDWARD THE ELDER

       |

EDMUND I

       |

EDGAR

       |

AETHELRED THE UNREADY (REDELESS)

      |

EDMUND IRONSIDE

      |

Edward the Exile

      |

St. Margaret  m. MALCOLM II of Scotland      

      |                                                                                

Edith Matilda----------------m.-----------HENR... I son of WM..I

                                            |    

                                         Matilda

                                                  |

                                              HENRY II

                                                       |

                                                   JOHN

                                                          |

                                                     HENRY III

                                                            |

                                                     EDWARD I

                                                            |

                                                     EDWARD II

                                                            |

                                                     EDWARD III

                                                           |

                                       John                  Edmund

                                           |                          |                              

                                  John Beaufort       Richard

                                          |                          |                          

                              John Beaufort          Richard

                                      |                                 |

                         Margaret m. Edm.Tudor   EDWARD IV

                                                            |                         |

                                                   HENRY VII   m.    Elizabeth

                                                                               |

                              JAMES IV of Scotland  m. Margaret

                                                                        |

                                                                 JAMES V

                                                                        |

                                                      MARY QUEEN OF SCOTS

                                                                        |

                                            JAMES VI (Scotland) & I (England)

                                                     |

                                               Elizabeth

                                                          |  

                                                       Sophia

                                                                |

                                                           GEORGE I

                                                                 |

                                                            GEORGE II

                                                                  |

                                                   Frederick Augustus

                                                                  |

                                                       GEORGE III

                                                                  |

                                                         Edmund

                                                                  |

                                                         VICTORIA

                                                                  |

                                                          EDWARD VII

                                                                  |

                                                          GEORGE V

                                                                  |

                                                          GEORGE VI  

                                                                  |

                                                           ELIZABETH II

(Names in all caps are those of monarchs.)  

Some of the spacing of members of the same generation hasn't come through. quite right.

You'll notice that some monarchs, such as Henry VIII, are left out here.  The reason is that they didn' have direct descendants, at least none that were ancestors of the Queen.  However, if "direct descendant" means great-great-etc.-grandchild, then the Queen is a direct descendant of the earliest king of all England and a large number of those after him.

Answer 7

It depends on what you mean by "true royal family".  In the past, the crown has gone down different paths than it would have if it strictly followed the rules of primogeniture.  The most recent major diversion was in 1714, when George I ascended the throne even though Prince James should theoretically have succeeded his sister Anne but didn't because the laws of succession were changed to disinherit him.  Before that time, there were several instances of the throne following a different route because of conquest, politics, and murder.

Answer 8

The current term of "royal family" is indeed ambiguous. The descendants are of "royal blood" because of their ancestors who had fought and robbed others' land in history. Those whose land were robbed were simply the unfortunate ones who had previously robbed others of their land and claim dictatorship and sovereignty to it. So I would say I think you are right.

The fact is, everyone can be of "royal blood" by having bandit ancestors who invade and rob others' of their land. The only difference being that their ancestors were more ruthless and victorious.

Answer 9

If you are a neo-Jacobite, the Royal Stuart Society would undoubtedly welcome you as a member.  The current Stuart claimant to the British throne is Francis II (r. 1996) from the House of Wittelsbach (Bavaria).  

Speaking for myself, as a descendant of a Macquarrie who fought at Culloden in support of Bonnie Prince Charlie and was transported to the Colonies for his pains and as a descendant of the Macdonalds who accompanied Flora Macdonald to North Carolina, there's no use in beating a dead horse.

Answer 10

I think the royal family is a defunct, useless symbol that only illustrates past hierarchies that in the modern era no longer exist to the extent they used to.

It wouldn't make much sense to keep paying me just becuse I was born into a family that in the past used religion and force to excercise control over an unwilling population.  So why do we continue to do that to the royal family?

At the very least, they should at least ex them out of the executive and abolish them as a governing symbol.