Did Bush or was it McCain that called for Russia to fight in Georgia?

Question

Is that the usual Karl Rove solution to moving up in the polls or not? I like Georgia and all that, but this looks so bogus. I might backfire just like Water Gate. Karl Rove was connected with that, too, at the start of his propaganda career.

Answer 1

So, you take what that evil emporer, Putin, has to say as fact. You are a typical left winger who doesn't know a thing of what you speak. You say you "like Georgia and all that" but you aren't willing to defend their soveirgnty when they are excessively attacked by the Soviet KGB.

At first I thought this was a sarcastic question, because no American in their right mind can place the blame of Russia's actions at the feet of the U.S. president and/or the Republican candidate. You must be dilusional. I am trying to understand your comment about Karl Rove and moving up in the polls. Are you suggesting that Obama would not effectively handle the situation, therefore, it hurts him in the polls?? And it helps McCain because he is better able to handle such a situation. Why else would you say something like that?

To you lefties, why is it some sort of terrible conspiracy if we attempt to instill democracy and open markets around the world through peaceful means, particularly in the former Soviet Block. I mean seriously, YES the U.S. was active in helping the government of Georgia form its democracy and build its economy through open markets. Is this a bad thing??? Isn't that better than how we are trying to do it in Iraq? Isn't it better for us to help them establish political and economic freedoms than allow the Communist to establish oppression? Although you may actually prefer the spread of communism over democracy.

What is it with you crazies, do you just hate democracy and other people having economic and political freedoms.

Just trying to understand what the point of your question is, thats all. From the sounds of it, if the KGB would attack the U.S. or one of our other allies in Europe within the next few weeks, you would blame the U.S. or some Republican here in the U.S. for the actions of an independent autonomous nation like Russia. Blame America, Blame Bush first. I think I get your point, don't agree with it, but that's what this country is about.  

Answer 2

I like what your saying, but I disagree with the principle of rhetorical questions and sarcasm on a website meant for intelligent discussion....

jk, no one here is intelligent.

Answer 3

Russia called it. McCain's not president yet.

Answer 4

Putin is wailing about all the conflict over there being something that Bush cooked up to take attention away from the war in Iraq.  If that were the case, wouldn't he have done it years ago?

People who can't take responsibility for bad decision making, always point fingers at others....this is no exception.  The US had nothing to do with it...those were soviet tanks, soviet soldiers, soviet orders.

Answer 5

Karl Rove is a fat pig liar.

The controversy over the Georgian surprise military attacks on South Ossetia and Abkhazia on 8.8.08 makes a closer look at the controversial Georgian President and his puppet masters important. An examination shows 41 year old Mikhail Saakashvili to be a ruthless and corrupt totalitarian who is tied to not only the US NATO establishment, but also to the Israeli military and intelligence establishment. The famous ‘Rose Revolution of November 2003 that forced the ageing Edouard Shevardnadze from power and swept the then 36 year old US university graduate into power was run and financed by the US State Department, the Soros Foundations, and agencies tied to the Pentagon and US intelligence community.

Mihkail Saakashvili was deliberately placed in power in one of the most sophisticated US regime change operations, using ostensibly private NGOs (Non Governmental Organizations) to create an atmosphere of popular protest against the existing regime of former Soviet Foreign Minister Edouard Shevardnadze, who was no longer useful to Washington when he began to make a deal with Moscow over energy pipelines and privatizations.

Saakashvili was brought to power in a US-engineered coup run on the ground by US-funded NGO’s, in an application of a new method of US destabilization of regimes it considered hostile to its foreign policy agenda. The November 24 2003 Wall Street Journal explicitly credited the toppling of Shevardnadze’s regime to the operations of “a raft of non-governmental organizations . . . supported by American and other Western foundations.” These NGOs, said the Journal, had “spawned a class of young, English-speaking intellectuals hungry for pro-Western reforms” who were instrumental laying the groundwork for a bloodless coup.

Coup by NGO

But there is more. The NGOs were coordinated by the US Ambassador to Georgia, Richard Miles, who had just arrived in Tbilisi fresh from success in orchestrating the CIA-backed toppling of Slobodan Milosevic in Belgrade, using the same NGOs. Miles, who is believed to be an undercover intelligence specialist, supervised the Saakashvili coup.

It involved US billionaire George Soros’ Open Society Georgia Foundation. It involved the Washington-based Freedom House whose chairman was former CIA chief James Woolsey. It involved generous financing from the US Congress-financed National Endowment for Democracy, an agency created by Ronald Reagan in the 1980’s to “do privately what the CIA used to do,” namely coups against regimes the US Government finds unfriendly.

George Soros’ foundations have been forced to leave numerous eastern European countries including Russia as well as China after the 1989 student Tiananmen Square uprising. Soros is also the financier together with the US State Department of the Human Rights Watch, a US- based and run propaganda arm of the entire NGO apparatus of regime coups such as Georgia and Ukraine’s 2004 Orange Revolution. Some analysts believe Soros is a high-level operative of the US State Department or intelligence services using his private foundations as cover.

The US State Department funded the Georgia Liberty Institute headed by Saakashvili, US approved candidate to succeed the no-longer cooperative Shevardnadze. The Liberty Institute in turn created “Kmara!” which translates “Enough!” According to a BBC report at the time, Kmara! Was organized in spring of 2003 when Saakashvili along with hand-picked Georgia student activists were paid by the Soros Foundation to go to Belgrade to learn from the US-financed Otpor activists that toppled Milosevic. They were trained in Gene Sharp’s “non-violence as a method of warfare” by the Belgrade Center for Nonviolent Resistance.

Saakashvili as mafioso President

Once he was in place in January 2004 as Georgia’s new President, Saakashvili proceeded to pack the regime with his cronies and kinsmen. The death of Zurab Zhvania, his prime minister in February, 2005, remains a mystery. The official version-poisoning by faulty gas heater-was adopted by American FBI investigators within two weeks of the killing. That has never seemed credible to those familiar with Georgia’s gangland slayings, crime, and other manifestations of social decay. Zhvania’s death was followed closely by a functionary of the Premier’s apparat, Georgi Khelashvili, who allegedly shot himself the day after his chief’s demise. The head of Zhvania’s research staff was later found dead as well.

Figures allied with Saakashvili reportedly had a hand in the premier’s death. Russian journalist Marina Perevozkina quoted Gia Khurashvili, a Georgian economist. Prior to the fatal incident, Mr. Khurashvili had published an article in Resonans newspaper opposing the privatization and sale of Georgia’s main gas pipeline. Ten days before the prime minister’s body was found, Khurashvili was attacked and his editor-in-chief-citing pressure from ’security service’ figures he refused to name-issued him a warning.

The late premier’s position on the pipeline issue was believed the direct reason for the murder of Zhvania. Zhvania’s brother, Georgi, also told Perevozkina that not long before Zhvania’s death he received a warning that someone was preparing to kill his brother. Saakashvili was reportedly livid when the US State Department invited Zhvania to Washington to win a Freedom Medal from the US Government’s National Democratic Institute. Saakashvili tolerates no rivals for power it seems.

Saakashvili, who cleverly marketed himself as “anti-corruption,” appointed several of his family members to lucrative posts in government, giving one of his brothers a position as chief adviser on domestic issues to the Baku-Ceyhan Pipeline project, backed by British Petroleum and other oil multinationals.

Since coming to power in 2004 with US aid, Saakashvili has led a policy of mass-scale arrests, imprisonment, torture and deepened corruption. Saakashvili has presided over the creation of a de facto one-party state, with a dummy opposition occupying a tiny portion of seats in the parliament, and this public servant is building a Ceaucescu-style palace for himself on the outskirts of Tbilisi. According to the magazine, Civil Georgia (Mar. 22, 2004) until 2005, the salaries of Saakashvili and many of his ministers were reportedly paid by the NGO network of New York-based currency speculator Soros- along with the United Nations Development Program.

Israel US military train Georgian military

The current military assault on South Ossetia and Abkhazia, in violation of Saakashvili’s pledge to seek a diplomatic not military solution to the territorial disputes, is backed by US and Israeli military “advisers.” Israel’s Haaretz newspaper reported that on August 10, Georgian Minister of Reintegration, Temur Yakobshvili, “praised the Israel Defense Forces for its role in training Georgian troops and said Israel should be proud of its military might, in an interview with Army Radio. ‘Israel should be proud of its military which trained Georgian soldiers,’ Yakobashvili told Army Radio in Hebrew, referring to a private Israeli group Georgia had hired.”

One of the targets of Russian bombs near Tbilisi was, according to IsraelNN.com, “a Georgian military plant in which Israeli experts are upgrading jet fighters for the Georgian military Russian fighter jets bombed runways inside the plant, located near Tbilisi, where Israeli security firm Elbit is in charge of upgrading Georgian SU-25 jets.”

Israeli Foreign Minister and candidate to succeed ousted Israeli Prime Minister, Olmert, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, proclaimed on August 10 that “Israel recognizes Georgia’s territorial integrity,” code for saying it backs Georgia’s attempt to take South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

The reported 1,000 Israeli military advisers in Georgia were not alone. On July 15, the Reuters news wire carried the following report: “VAZIANI, Georgia - One thousand U.S. troops began a military training exercise called “Immediate Response 2008,” in Georgia on Tuesday against a backdrop of growing friction between Georgia and neighboring Russia. The two-week exercise was taking place at the Vaziani military base near the capital Tbilisi, which was a Russian air force base until Russian forces withdrew at the start of this decade under a European arms reduction agreement… Georgia has a 2,000-strong contingent supporting the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq, and Washington provides training and equipment to the Georgian military. The United States is an ally of Georgia and has irritated Russia by backing Tbilisi’s bid to join the NATO military alliance… “The main purpose of these exercises is to increase the cooperation and partnership between U.S. and Georgian forces,” Brig. Gen. William B. Garrett, commander of the U.S. military’s Southern European Task Force, told reporters.”

With Russia openly backing and training the indigenous military in South Ossetia and Abkhazia to maintain Russian presence in the region, especially since the US-backed pro-NATO Saakashvili regime took power in 2004, the Caucasus is rapidly coming to resemble Spain in the Civil War from 1936-1939 where the Soviet Union, n**i Germany and others poured money and weapons and volunteers into Spain in a devastating war that was a precursor to the Second World War.

Answer 6

Putin did this all on his own.  He would like to go back to the old ways of Russia.  I really resent people that like to create even more animosity of America by putting out there idiotic conspiracy theory's about our intentions.  I hope in some ways that Obama makes it and destroys America so that people realize what a great country we have, well once had once he is done.  Yet, I hate to see all the innocents die at the expense of contrarians (liberals).  

Answer 7

Hahahaha I get it trick question because they are the same person.. You almost had me going..

Answer 8

Both have been accused of egging the Georgian President to take action in the two provinces.  As Russia was stocking them with transplanted Russians, they got the pretext to invade.  I don't think Rove had a part in this, but that doesn't mean his ideas aren't harbored by others in the administration.  McCain just runs around trying to start World War III.

Answer 9

I see that Putin has a student in you.

When one believes the propaganda of a "former" KGB agent over the views and opinions of the rest of the world, it explains why governments like Russia and China are still able to thrive