Did Jesus and Paul teach the same thing?

Question

Some critics of Christianity try and set Paul against Jesus. They will often claim that what Paul taught is not what Jesus said and that present-day Christianity is derived not from Jesus, but from Paul's teaching. Your Thoughts ? Opinions ? Views

Answer 1

Paul used to oversee stoning christians to death. That was his job as Saul - to seek and destroy the hundred or so follower's of christ that existed after jesus died. However, the bible was not assembled until about 300 years later by constantine, At that time constantine made sure that christianity was a fusion of the multitude of different religions. He rolled them all into one, called it christianity then forced everyone in to practicing it or they would be destroyed by his christian soldiers. Isn't christianity wonderful?  

Answer 2

Absolutely.

But!!!!!!! Jesus spoke only to the Jew under the law.

Paul also spoke to the Jew- but eventually only to the Gentile. The message to those groups was different.

Don't try to separate "what" Jesus or Paul taught- but do try to separate "who" they talked to. There is the difference.  

Answer 3

MY goodness ...

Who ever is dividing Paul and Jesus needs to go and re-read the scriptures..

Answer 4

"Paul was the first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus"

-- Thomas Jefferson

Paul was supposedly born and raised in the city of Tarsus, a region in SE Asia-Minor (now called Turkey) where Mithras was well known. Biblical scholars are now saying that Paul, the alleged author of 13 out of the 27 (maybe more) books of the New Testament, may have been influenced in his writings by this strong religion of Mithraism. We can see a profound kinship between Mithraism and Christianity.

In-as-much as Mithraism was so popular in Rome, it is no wonder why the pagan Emperor Constantine, who believed in the sun god, Mithras, designated a certain day of the week to him, Sunday, which means, “the day of the sun.”

The original "Christian" faith became a mix of pagan, Mithramic, Jeudeo/Christian teaching. This lead to the confusing mix of theology that we have today within the "Christian" community. This apostacy from the original simple and plain teachings of Christ was accelerated by the persecutions and killings of any who tried to support the "old" ways. Maybe this solves the mystery of the “ungodly” marriage between Mithraism and the cult of Jesus. As it turns out, it was all for political convenience! But, Christians think they are better than that today. In short: The "Christianity" they have today has almost no relationship, in doctrine or in way of life, to the "the original teachings of Jesus."

In my mind, there are two Jesus' teachings. Jesus the Jew and Jesus the Gentile, which by the way is really Paul's Jesus. And guess which one Christians follow? The ex-pagan Constantine liked Paul's Jesus over Jesus the Jew. Jesus and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens.

For instance, many of the world's crucified "god-men" have their traditional birthday on December 25. This is because the ancients recognized that (from an earth-centric perspective) the sun makes an annual descent southward until December 21 or 22, the winter solstice, when it stops moving southerly for three days and then starts to move northward again.

During this time, the ancients declared that "God's sun" had "died" for three days and was "born again" on December 25. The ancients realized quite abundantly that they needed the sun to return every day and that they would be in big trouble if the sun continued to move southward and did not stop and reverse its direction. Thus, these many different cultures celebrated the "sun of God's" birthday on December 25th.

I firmly believe Paul took the teachings of an Essene rabbi called Jesus and rearranged them to fit the Mithras mythology. There were many wannabe messiahs around the time of Jesus; the man who could establish a religion based on a "real" messiah would be a very powerful and respected man, which Paul apparently wanted to be.

The fact that Paul never met Jesus, and that Jesus never foretold Paul's appearance (unless it was included in his warning about deceivers that would fool "the very elect"), should be proof that Paul had no authority in real Christianity.

Answer 5

nope

jesus taught to keep torah as it was intended, and his "good news" was that the "kingdom of god" is here now, within you

paul taught to "just believe", and his "good news" was about jesus being crucified and raised to life

it's much bigger than that, but i don't feel like writing that much...

Answer 6

Not at all.

Jesus didn't promote Gentile inclusion at all.

Answer 7

Exactly the same.

Answer 8

Yes.  People who try to pit Jesus against Paul lack the ability to discern Scripture meaning.  They lack the Holy Spirit.

Jesus and Paul had different audiences.  Jesus' audience was Jews and disciples.  Paul was a missionary and church starter.  Everything he said was built upon the Gospel of Christ.  There is no conflict.

People also forget that Jesus is God.  The entire Bible is inspired by God.

Answer 9

In different ways, YES.

Re the answerer who commented on the Lord not promoting Gentile "inclusion" -

Please read John 10:16, considering it's CONTEXT (a Jewish Rabbi, speaking to Jews, in Jerusalem) and compare with Paul's writing in Ephesians 2:11-3:6 (esp. 2:14&15).

The "one flock" of John 10:16 corresponds to the "one new man" of Ephesians 2:15.

Just ONE example.

Bless u.

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Answer 10

To fully answer this question would be a book.  N.T. Wright has a book answering this question, "What Saint Paul Really Said."  I recommend the book.  Basically, Jesus and Paul do agree.  If you can please post specific areas where they are said to disagree I can try to answer each theoretical disagreement or at least learn something along the way.

Let me also reply to the comment about Jesus not being Gentile inclusive.  The truth is the opposite.  Jesus reached out to the Samaritan woman (half gentile).  He reached out to a Roman Centurian.  He complemented the faith of a gentile woman. He told the apostles in Acts 1 to take the message to the Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and to the uttermost parts of the world.  In Acts 10 Jesus convinced Peter to reach Cornelius who became the first recorded Gentile convert  (read Acts 10 and 11 for the full context).

Answer 11

Jesus knew his mission from the first, and fully completed it.  Until His death and Paul's teaching everyone was under law.  After that all are under grace and the Holy Spirit.  Much of the teaching of Jesus was law to lead us to His good news later.

Answer 12

From what I've seen, those who try to discredit Paul are those who believe homosexuality is not a sin.  (i.e., Jesus never spoke about homosexuality).  Those are the ones who pick & choose which parts of the bible they follow.

Answer 13

They taught the same thing.

Most of what Jesus taught was before the cross, all of what Paul taught was after.

In any event it was the same.

Answer 14

If not for Paul, Christianity would have remained a fringe Judaic cult that would have died out. Paul turned it into a proselytizing cult that eventually turned into Christianity.

Answer 15

http://imagechan.com/images/12f0980702d4...

there we go

Answer 16

No, Jesus was a Rabbi that taught the OT and preached monotheism to the Jews and Romans.  

Paul taught that Jesus was the son of god and started a whole new religion.  Now, I always see non-Jewish pastors trying to interpret the OT, and doing it wrong.  The reason they do it wrong is because they are basing everything on their beliefs from the NT...see?

Answer 17

I can't find any paragraphs to copy and paste. In my opinion Christianity alters itself so much through the years without anyone noticing they probably taught at least some conflicting points.

Hypothetically.