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Did i do anything wrong in this hand of poker?

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i was playing in a live tourney. starting 3000 + 1 rebuy, chips in play 320000. Last two tables i have 28000. I was on the button, folded round to me. i have 10J so i raise to 15000. sb folds, bb goes all in. I have committed about 60% of my stack so i can't fold. She has AQ i hit my Jack. She then says its always the sh*t plays that win. I was just taking my chances and just trying to steal from the button (first time i had done it) which you have to do sometimes in order to build your stack. Did i really do anything wrong? you can't sit around all night and wait for the big hands otherwise you never win

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  1. There is something you did wrong here just because you won that no one is pointing out.  If you just wanted to steal the blinds and pot commit yourself at the same time, then you should just go all in from the start.  By putting in a raise like that, you might be asking for a call from somebody who wants to gamble and see a flop.  Now it isn't good news if you miss and now you are hurting.  It gives them the chance to push you out of a pot that you still might win.  The A Q in this example should have seen that you were pot committed and just called.  She would be first to act and then go all in after the flop hoping you missed.  However, if you had gone all in, again, still not knowing what they had, the A Q might realize that maybe she can lay this one down and just wait.  

    This one did work out for you, but there are safer ways to get the same result and in this case going all in right away is actually safer.  If you are going to try and steal blinds by pot committing yourself then just be the first to go all in or next time you may be pushed out of a winning hand.


  2. I'll agree with both the sentiments that you didn't do anything wrong (gutsy and risky, maybe) and it sounds like she was a sore loser.  But I will qualify the "sore loser" part to suggest that her comment could have also been a psychological strategy on her part to shake you.  

    Poker is a game.  But not just a game about the cards.  Someone wins and someone has to lose.  As far as I can tell it was very much a game that fit the "Survivor" slogan:

    "Outwit, outplay, outlast."  

    Maybe she was just bitter because she played her hand according to how she thought it "should" be played and it didn't workout.  Or maybe she was just relying on a strategy beyond card play.  

    My advice....  Don't let someone's comments at the table let that person get into your head.  That leaves you vulnerable to deception and intimidation.

    Good luck.


  3. I don't think you mentioned what the blinds were at this point.

    But if you were getting short stacked relative to the blinds, it's not a bad play to try and push the blinds off their hands.

    You raised with a better than average hand, so you have a pretty reasonable chance that the blinds had garbage.  If so they would have both folded.

    Unlucky for you the BB woke up with a hand, which is pure dumb luck by the way.  And so she pushed, and you felt pot committed.

    She was about 60/40 to win, but she didn't when you caught a jack.

    Frankly criticizing your play like that is just a childish whine because she lost.  But when the money went in, it's not like she was a prohibitive favorite, she had a slight edge over your hand.  Nothing you could have predicted when you initially raised.

    If you sit around for a top premium hand in a typical tournament you will get blinded out eventually.  So you have to make moves like this from time to time.

    Now if she had made the first move and you called all in with JT, that would be a different matter.  What went down is just a typical poker hand, and she is simply showing a lack of knowledge, experience and class by berating you at the table over it.

    In reality she should love people like you.  I'd love to play poker with people that only ever called my raises when I was 60/40 favorite to win!  If she were any good she'd know that, and would keep her mouth shut.

  4. So you got lucky with the worst hand. Big deal, bad beats happen to everyone in a big tournament. I can't imagine that anyone has won a very big tournament by only playing when they had the best cards preflop. And do you remember Jaime Gold who won the Main Event at the World Series of Poker? If you watch when it gets to the final table of that tourney, he hardly ever had the best hand preflop.But he had a huge chip stack so he was calling the weaker players and knocking them out. Anyone who gambles and says they are never lucky when they win is lying, it takes some luck once in a while.

  5. tell her to bite it very nice gutsy play w/done

  6. Im not being a d**k but that was terrible play raising 15k when u have 28k to steal a pot of basically pennies, if you want to steal a pot you dont raise 60% of your stack, 7000 would have been a maximum bet there, if they reraise you know where you stand, you are behind!!!! so FOLD!!! in this case the bad play came with the raise, considering you had committed 60% of your stack you were nearly obliged to call as it was heads up....that is assuming the J10 was suited, if it wasnt suited i would have thrown them away even if i had 60% of my stack in the pot, basically you made a bad play then a good call and you got lucky, so happy days :-D

  7. Was the 10 j suited . Did she go all in before the flop. At the end of the day if the hand wins you money then it is not s##t.

  8. I hate to say it but this is a bad play unless you're fairly confident you'll win the blinds.  That's not even a good hand 3 handed and you have to realize that when the table folds around to you then the chances of the blinds having big cards is increased.  You're throwing in over half your stack on a bluff basically.  You want to limit the times you're all in and don't want to do too many close plays.  You're right in that you're pot committed here so why not just push if you're going to play this but overall it's best to throw this away and let the blinds fight among themselves for their money.

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  9. Poker is about deception and winning.Well played.

  10. Only if the table was likely to have called your 'bluff', so it depends on your reading of the players.

    She was what, about 60-40 favourite. I've had much worse beats than that. You just have to suck it up and believe that you did the right thing, that's why they call it gambling..

    {edit} Look on the bright side, if you play her again you've got an idea how to 'push her buttons' it could give you an advantage.

  11. i would not of raised that much on j 10 because most of the time it represents you have a weak-ish, hand but you didnt do any thing wrong because you won the hand she just mad because she had to over cards and and still lost. Thats just poker

    dont hate the player hate the game

  12. I would have done exactly the same thing!

    There is nothing wrong with taking the chance and sometimes it comes off well!

    Ignore the woman you have not done anything wrong, this is poker not snap!

  13. although you were lucky you won, that person sounds bitter bad loser. thier is an equal chance of any of those 4 cards coming up if only 1 does come up then the person with that card wins.  

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