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Did the Jews lose their status as God's chosen?

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Did the Jews lose their status as God's chosen?

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  1. answer: No, they still hold true to the covenant they have with G-d to uphold as many laws as apply (some don't because there is no grand temple).  


  2. "Chosen for what?"

  3. Jews are the chosen people, Jews have only observed the Torah(Old testament) and the prophecies of the Messiah have still to be fulfilled. any compromises made in the New testament is only to appease Christians and does not apply to the Jewish nation. The Torah does say that any people who is kind to the nation of Israel will receive blessings in their own right.

  4. Probably not, as 14 million Jews still capture a massive and out of proportion to population percentage of Nobel prizes (175 out 750 total), academic influence, business influence etc.

    They are pretty well connected and got some skillz.

  5. Israel was the original tree, and we were the ones grafted in...

    Romans 11:22-32

    22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!



    25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

       "The deliverer will come from Zion;

          he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.

    27And this is[a] my covenant with them

          when I take away their sins."

    28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. 32For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

  6. Why do you even think that?


  7. Yes, in a sense.

    In the book of Romans, Paul explains that the Jews were like a cultivated olive tree that had been broken off and Christians like wild olive branches that were grafted onto the tree.. But Paul also admonishes Christians not to gloat because God is perfectly capable of grafting them back in and plans to do so eventually.

  8. No, a common misinterpretation, The choosen ones are not the ones who G-d chose , it's the group that Chose G-d. Jews agreed to make the covenant with G-d and keep it forever.  

  9. How can I not take offense?  This is like asking if I no longer have a right to my religion.  It's creepy & anyone with spirituality should be looking for ways out of this.

    There's a passange in NT that says the old convenant is eternal.  

    The Tanach has numerous places where the convenant is interated as enternal & new pieces added to it.  The Isaaiah story of course, deturotomy has again about the change of name to Abraham for the convenant.  I don't have them memorized by verse, but they should be easy to find, especially with the search function:

    http://www.mechon-mamre.org/e/et/et0.htm

    Maybe what you are looking for really is ways out.  I hope so.

  10. Ro 2:28  Ro 3:1  Ro 10:12  Ga 2:14 Ga 3:28  Col 3:11

  11. Yes they did.As a Nation they Rejected his Son and had him Killed.No longer did they have the Temple with its Priesthood etc.For a millennium and a half, the nation of fleshly Israel was God’s chosen people; but in the first century of our Common Era, Israel was rejected because of its lack of faith and replaced by the new Christian congregation. Those early Christians needed extraordinary help to strengthen their faith and to give evidence to the outside world that they had God’s backing.

    Thus, miraculous gifts, including healing, were given the infant Christian congregation. These served as “a sign” to unbelievers and as a means of building up the faith of believers. (1 Corinthians 14:22)

    It stands to Reason that the God of the Bible was NOT going to recognize the Jewish Nation AND the Christian Congregation established By his son.The Apostle Paul's preaching was not for people to convert to Judaism. He wrote One body there is, and one spirit, even as you were called in the one hope to which you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all persons, who is over all and through all and in all.”—Eph. 4:3-6.

    ONE faith- that faith was Not Judaism,but Christianity.

    * I usually dont bother about thumbs down- but surely these folk who are giving TD are not suggesting that God is a God of Confusion and does not know what his doing?

  12. The reason your question fails to work, is that the Jewish Bible makes the status eternal.  In order to show a lose of status, then there is a need to have an outside source to show it, and since that in not part of Jewish belief, then you can not show it to a Jewish acceptance.   So, Jews do not believe the covenant status is broken.  So, no.


  13. no.

  14. Genesis 17:7

    And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

    Leviticus 24:8

    Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.

    Numbers 25:13

    And he shall have it, and his seed after him, even the covenant of an everlasting priesthood; because he was zealous for his God, and made an atonement for the children of Israel.

    If the Bible is the word of God, than everlasting means just that - everlasting. Else God is a liar.

  15. No, God´s chosen are forever. God´s clockwork is related to Israel, both as a nation and as a people. In the book of Romans, Paul expresses the preaching of the Gospel first to the jews and then to the Gentiles. Jesus came to the lost of Israel and then saved the Gentiles. The first saved in Romans up to chapter 9 were jews and then chapter 10 the first Gentile: Cornelius. So even in Revelation, Jesus¨ return will be to save the jews from the attack of the Gentile nations, so, as God said, they are the pupil of His eye, and His special treasure on earth. God does NOT break His Word or His promises.

  16. No.

    Deuteronomy 14:2  For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

    Deut 7:6  For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

  17. Thank you JPA and supporters!!!!

    Most observant Jews are not back on-line yet.  Shabbat ends at sunset today.  If you leave your question open, you will probably get more *scripture* from observant Jews.

    God created a people, Israel, for a purpose -- to be a "light unto the nations."  Both Christianity and Islam are attempting to be that light, unfortunately they have resorted to violence many times over the centuries in order to "spread the light."

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  18. As a nation, yes. Individual Jews are, like anyone else invited to have a relationship with God. (John 3:16;Acts:10:34,35)

    Matt. 21:42, 43: “Jesus said to them [the chief priests and the older men of the Jews in Jerusalem]: ‘Did you never read in the Scriptures, “The stone that the builders rejected is the one that has become the chief cornerstone. From Jehovah this has come to be, and it is marvelous in our eyes”? This is why I say to you, The kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits.’”

    Matt. 23:37, 38: “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her,—how often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks together under her wings! But you people did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you.”

    In 70 CE God allowed the Romans to destroy Jerusalem and the temple. The covenant between him and the nation of Israel was officially over.

  19. Jews still believe they have the status of God's (YHVH's) chosen, as every people probably believes the same for themselves.

    Christians prefer to think of themselves as the Chosen: Part 2.

    Christians used to commonly see Jews as no longer chosen, but lately have decided to play nice-nice so as to keep up good relations with Israel and not look like such soreheads, so now they say that both Christians and Jews are chosen.

  20. no

    we are all chosen

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