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Did you know that ethanol actually takes more net oil to produce than gasoline? Not to mention food depletion?

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If Obama is elected president, he is tied in every way to the major ethanol players in the U.S. If you think the Saudis are bad with their cartel, then what do you think the greedy businessmen of the US ethanol production companies will be like? Wait until these guys send their lobbyists to Washington and then we will be tied to another long-term ineffective fuel. We are DOOMED as a country if we try to make ethanol our alternative energy supply, literally. We should be spending our time, effort and money developing solar and hydrogen power, for homes and automobiles.

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  1. I heard a figure that is shocking .. it takes 400 lbs of corn to produce 1 gal. of ethanol.  Here's another 1.. Back in the 70's they called it 'gasohol' .. but banned it due to the pollution it created, bringing it back now as a "green" alternative.  Paying farmers sanctions for this corn is creating an unbelievable elevation in corn prices, other products are becoming unaffordable because the farmers will trade in their 'beef' 'wheat' and beans ... for corn.  We will be in bad shape if the 'GOVERNMENT'  don't BACK OFF!!!

    ELECT THE COMUNIST OBAMA AND YOU ARE ON YOUR WAY TO '''DOOM'''


  2. here is more

    About the forests and Ethanol production ,causing more carbon offset than all of industry and cars in the world combined.

    http://byderule.multiply.com/journal/ite...

    about the food

    http://byderule.multiply.com/journal/ite...

    i cannot believe that the people with the best intelligence in the world could not foresee the effects of diverting more than half of the worlds food supply to the production of Ethanol

    This was by design ,to cull the poor and make money on the way.

    Obama is part of a marketing strategy,

    They place a different party ,gender or even race as runners for president to see who the public prefers and to cover all bets ,they all belong to the same stable,all are related.

    .so the stable always wins

    And so it makes no difference who wins ,the same motives seek the same goals.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/_93356.htm...

  3. I'm not surprised, also I think using food crops for fuel is an insane idea

  4. This country more and more is subscribing to group think - barring facts and opposing viewpoints in favor of popular notion.

    These issues aren't the start nor will they be the end of a stream of problems caused by group-think. If the Democrats get their way in our political arena, the next thing we'll see is re-institution of the "Fairness doctrine" - which essentially targets only talk radio where conservative opinion is currently king. It will stifle and bring to an end any opposing view to what our government is doing.

    Marxism is only a presidential election away.

    These "green" initiatives don't have to make good scientific sense - they just need to be politically correct and appeal to the group-think.

    DOOMED is a polite way of saying something else...

  5. how about a solar powered car?or changing coal into fuel

  6. Liberal logic at it's finest.

    They despise successful entrepeneurs.

  7. It's true that producing ethanol from corn is a dumb idea that has led to food shortages, directly and indirectly. But there are ways to produce ethanol that are far more efficient and don't require prime farmland. One is switchgrass which returns 540% of the energy needed to produce it versus 25% (in a best case scenario) for corn. It's permanent root structure means it doesn't need to be replanted and that most of the CO2 released in processing and burning the fuel is offset by what's stored in those roots. Then there is algae, one strain supposedly emits ethanol directly (in a gaseous state) so it requires no processing or harvesting at all and you can get 6,000 gallons of ethanol per year from one acre of the algae, compared to 370 gallons for corn. Again, any land will do as long as you put in a pond for the algae to grow in and add the nutrients they need. Sugar cane produces 890 gallons per acres, still far below algae or switchgrass.

    If we can make ethanol cheaply we can overcome the additional ozone it adds to the air (smog) and it produces less CO2 for those who are afraid of global warming. We don't need to change the infrastructure although most cars require a refit to run on pure ethanol, which is nothing more than a different name for alcohol. Flex fuel cars can run on an 85/15 ethanol/gas mix now and more research could boost that even higher.

    You're right about the need to switch to solar with electric cars, but as an interim solution ethanol will work, as long as we stop turning food into fuel.

  8. typical yields for corn based ethanol=2.56 gallons per bushel where as 100lbs of sugar will yield 11 gallons of ethanol. however ethanol, solar, hydrogen, lpg, and other alternatives wont individually solve our energy needs. it is going to take the use of all our resources, including oil and coal, to solve our long term energy needs.

    all of these efforts are underway, and have been for years, but there are two problems with them;

    1: congress and the environmental lobby keep moving to block these energy sources.

    2: we lack the infrastructure needed to support these alternate forms of energy.

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