Dispensationalists: Are these 3 verses talking about the same event ? And has the Son of Man been revealed ?

Question

Luke 21:20-21 (NKJV)

But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.

Matthew 24:16-18 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes.

Luke 17:30-31 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back.

Answer 1

Scofield has no notes on Luke 17 and is my only study source at the moment so I can't say that I would know ??? What do you think? My pastor is about to bring us some of his views on some of these subjects. You can order dvd's or  mp3's (via u.s. postal system) See my profile for info.

Luke 21:20 WHEN YOU SEE JERUSALEM Two sieges of Jerusalem are in view of the Olivet Discourse, the one fulfilled in A.D. 70, and the other yet to be fulfilled at the end of the age. Here the reference is to the siege by Titus, A.D. 70, when the city was taken and vv.20-24 literally fulfilled. These horrors illustrate the conditions in Palestine at the time of the end, but neither verse 20 nor 24 is included in the accounts of the Olivet Discourse given by Matthew and Mark. The references in Matt. 24:15-28 and Mark 13:14-26 are to the final siege, when the city will be taken by enemies but delivered by the return of the Lord to the earth (Rev. 19:11-21 ; Zech. 14:2-4). In Luke the sign is Jerusalem being surrounded by armies (21:20); in Matt.24:15-28 and Mark 13:14 the sign is the abomination of desolation in the holy place (2 Thess. 2:4 ; Rev. 13:12-15).

Matt 24:16 Compare Luke 21:20-24 . The passage in Luke refers in express terms to a destruction of Jerusalem which was fulfilled by Titus in A.D. 70; the passage in Matthew alludes to a future crisis in Jerusalem after the manifestation of the “abomination.” See Beast ( Dan. 7:8 ; Rev. 19:20, note); and Armageddon ( Rev. 16:13-16 ); 19:17, note). As the circumstances in both cases will both be similar, so are the warnings. In the former case Jerusalem was destroyed; in the latter it will be delivered by divine intervention.

  Here are some random verses that I found interesting in the scriptures and the new testament.

Psa 47:5   God has ascended with a shout, The LORD, with the sound of a trumpet.  

Mat 24:31   "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.  

Isa 25:8   He will swallow up death for all time, And the Lord GOD will wipe tears away from all faces, And He will remove the reproach of His people from all the earth; For the LORD has spoken.  

Isa 25:9   And it will be said in that day, "Behold, this is our God for whom we have waited that He might save us. This is the LORD for whom we have waited; Let us rejoice and be glad in His salvation."  

Rev 1:7   BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.  

Isa 27:13   It will come about also in that day that a great trumpet will be blown, and those who were perishing in the land of Assyria and who were scattered in the land of Egypt will come and worship the LORD in the holy mountain at Jerusalem.  

Zec 9:14   Then the LORD will appear over them, And His arrow will go forth like lightning; And the Lord GOD will blow the trumpet, And will march in the storm winds of the south.  

Zec 9:15   The LORD of hosts will defend them. And they will devour and trample on the sling stones; And they will drink {and} be boisterous as with wine; And they will be filled like a {sacrificial} basin, {Drenched} like the corners of the altar.  

Zec 9:16   And the LORD their God will save them in that day As the flock of His people; For {they are as} the stones of a crown, Sparkling in His land.  

Zec 9:17   For what comeliness and beauty {will be} theirs! Grain will make the young men flourish, and new wine the virgins.  

1Cr 15:52   in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.  

1Cr 15:53   For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Answer 2

Luke 17 points to the apokolupsis of Christ, His Unveiling as recorded in "Revelations", when He returns to set up the Kingdom of God as was planned the first time but rejected by Israel three times; during His earthly ministry, during the Twelve's re-offer of the Kingdom, and finally in Acts 28 when God turned to the nations and sealed Israel's defection by hardening their hearts.

No one has seen the Lord return to Olivette to execute judgment on the earth, thus the Roman overthrow was a national judgment in line with the other invasions and captivities the Jews were subjected to for their unfaithfulness to God.

Answer 3

Has Jerusalem ever not been surrounded by armies for any length of time?

That place is an eternal $hit storm.