Do Global Warming Alarmists feel let down by nature?

Question

When we are bracing ourselves for a white Easter?

Answer 1

hahaha brilliant question

Answer 2

Why not ask sensible questions by studying literature on climate change before you open you mouth?

Answer 3

Yes because it's all a big hoax.

Answer 4

you remind me why i hate capitalists so much

Answer 5

It's more climate change rather than warming. Last year it was so warm in December and the winter was very short. This year the winter is long.

We have let down nature and not the other way around.

http://www.greenfanclub.com

Answer 6

A few years back there were reports of Audi cars having their accelerators stuck, that caused accidents.

In one case a woman mistook the accelerator for the brake and the car had run into a wall.  She was hysterical and had the accelerator still floored when she was found.

So will any amount of data or intelligence change the minds of folks?  Probably not.

The psychological theory of "cognitive dissonance" explains why conflicting data about AGW reinforces the belief in AGW, and the stronger the evidence against AGW, the more tightly people cling to the idea.

You can see this at work in this forum.  Skeptics will acknowledge that AGW, while unlikely, is not impossible.  (Even a blind squirrel stumbles across an acorn now and then.)  And there are even some plausible mechanisms that could cause a run-away positive feedback (methane clathrates).

But no true believer in AGW will accept data that doesn't fit AGW.  Even though no theory explains all the data all the time.

Every single observation supports AGW.  Any extreme weather whatsoever (with the exception of extremely good weather, of course), indicates AGW.  Hurricane predictions  after Katrina just meant the hurricanes occurred elsewhere in the ocean.

One year of record-breaking heat proves AGW, but cooling the next year isn't enough data to go on.  The little ice age was a local phenomenom but one tree in N. America is enough to create a proxy of the world's temperature way back when.

The same ridiculous stuff happens in the Iraqi war debate.  If anyone was really concerned about death in America, they would start with the 40,000+ people slaughtered in automobile accidents every year.  But people not knowing 4,000 soldier deaths in Iraq over 5 years?  That just shows disinterest in world affairs.

No WMD were found in Iraq?  Intelligence had not uncovered Saddam's U235 enrichment calutrons before Gulf War #1, so intelligence estimates one way or another could not be relied upon for Gulf War #2.  Saddam ordering 3 lithotripers (medical devices that break up kidney stones) and over 100 spare kryton switches wasn't suspicious?  (Kryton switches are extremely precise devices used to trigger implosion type nuclear weapons.)

And the "Pièce de résistance" - Dan Rather, Mary Maples  and the forged letter.  A modern computer type font used back in the 1970's?  But Mary Maples is adament no one has "proved" the documents fake.

So it is with AGW.  No skeptic can "prove" AGW is wrong, even though the burden of "proof" is on AGW to show it explains data better than assuming no AGW.

Answer 7

We have now had 10 years of cooler or stable weather

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Mon...

These measurements have been made by the official organisations that monitor global temperature, not GW sceptics or oil industry people, so they can't just be dismissed.

They indicate to me that the role of CO2 in our atmosphere has been grossly over emphasised. It is a factor, but only one in many.

I expect the GW fanatics to remain in denial for the foreseeable future.

Answer 8

A sensible question is relative. Just because you don't get the answer you want, doesn't make it wrong. You may have colder weather on Easter, but that doesn't mean the rest of the planet will. I will have mid-60's where I am. Oh, but how could that be? Maybe it's because weather is different everywhere, and that we should confuse it with climate. For you to advance, you first have to understand the difference between weather and climate. I will help you...

Weather: The state of the atmosphere at a given time and place, with respect to variables such as temperature, moisture, wind velocity, and barometric pressure. (American Heritage Dictionary)

Climate: the composite or generally prevailing weather conditions of a region, as temperature, air pressure, humidity, precipitation, sunshine, cloudiness, and winds, throughout the year, averaged over a series of years.

Answer 9

I think that you'll find that Global warming means that weather systems are affected - not that everywhere will get warmer. That's why global warming has gradually been replaced in the media by 'climate change', because this is a more realistic picture of what is happening.

Having said that my geologist hubby thinks that this would happen - humans or no - and geology proves that the earth has had dramatic variations in weather anyway - what do you reckon?

Answer 10

I think the people who are concerned about global warming are the ones who know something about it.  For that reason they also know stuff like this has nothing to do with it.

Answer 11

You ridicule others, yet say such a stupid statement in your question.   This is just about the earliest date possible for easter.   Easter is on the first sunday after the first full moon after the first day of spring.   (Pagan holiday if I ever saw one) It could have been one day earlier, but it could also have been almost a month later.   Where I live, one month in the spring makes a huge difference in what the weather is like outside.   Do you feel let down by facts?

Answer 12

The Mystery of Global Warming's Missing Heat

by Richard Harris

Stuart Westmorland

Oceans hold much more heat than the atmosphere can. Corbis

Morning Edition, March 19, 2008 · Some 3,000 scientific robots that are plying the ocean have sent home a puzzling message. These diving instruments suggest that the oceans have not warmed up at all over the past four or five years. That could mean global warming has taken a breather. Or it could mean scientists aren't quite understanding what their robots are telling them.

This is puzzling in part because here on the surface of the Earth, the years since 2003 have been some of the hottest on record. But Josh Willis at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory says the oceans are what really matter when it comes to global warming.

In fact, 80 percent to 90 percent of global warming involves heating up ocean waters. They hold much more heat than the atmosphere can. So Willis has been studying the ocean with a fleet of robotic instruments called the Argo system. The buoys can dive 3,000 feet down and measure ocean temperature. Since the system was fully deployed in 2003, it has recorded no warming of the global oceans.

"There has been a very slight cooling, but not anything really significant," Willis says. So the buildup of heat on Earth may be on a brief hiatus. "Global warming doesn't mean every year will be warmer than the last. And it may be that we are in a period of less rapid warming."

In recent years, heat has actually been flowing out of the ocean and into the air. This is a feature of the weather phenomenon known as El Nino. So it is indeed possible the air has warmed but the ocean has not. But it's also possible that something more mysterious is going on.

That becomes clear when you consider what's happening to global sea level. Sea level rises when the oceans get warm because warmer water expands. This accounts for about half of global sea level rise. So with the oceans not warming, you would expect to see less sea level rise. Instead, sea level has risen about half an inch in the past four years. That's a lot.

Willis says some of this water is apparently coming from a recent increase in the melting rate of glaciers in Greenland and Antarctica.

"But in fact there's a little bit of a mystery. We can't account for all of the sea level increase we've seen over the last three or four years," he says.

One possibility is that the sea has, in fact, warmed and expanded — and scientists are somehow misinterpreting the data from the diving buoys.

But if the aquatic robots are actually telling the right story, that raises a new question: Where is the extra heat all going?

Kevin Trenberth at the National Center for Atmospheric Research says it's probably going back out into space. The Earth has a number of natural thermostats, including clouds, which can either trap heat and turn up the temperature, or reflect sunlight and help cool the planet.

That can't be directly measured at the moment, however.

"Unfortunately, we don't have adequate tracking of clouds to determine exactly what role they've been playing during this period," Trenberth says.

It's also possible that some of the heat has gone even deeper into the ocean, he says. Or it's possible that scientists need to correct for some other feature of the planet they don't know about. It's an exciting time, though, with all this new data about global sea temperature, sea level and other features of climate.

"I suspect that we'll able to put this together with a little bit more perspective and further analysis," Trenberth says. "But what this does is highlight some of the issues and send people back to the drawing board."

Trenberth and Willis agree that a few mild years have no effect on the long-term trend of global warming. But they say there are still things to learn about how our planet copes with the heat.

Answer 13

GW alarmist is what is causing the oil Co. to robe U and me as they were afraid of ruining out of fuel. The oil Co. are making Billions with the help of the GW alarmist.

Answer 14

I live in the North East & we have in place a severe gale warning.The last 6 months we have had nothing but wind & rain with bits of sun thrown in.lol

Answer 15

Regarding "Do Global Warming Alarmists feel let down by nature?"...

Nope, not one bit.  You can't expect them to accept real, unbiased, non-politically motivated or non-special interest group funded truth.

These are the types of people who say lake levels are low because of global warming without looking at "the bigger picture" such as the population growth around that lake that depends on that water supply for drinking, how much is being diverted to grow crops or that maybe the lake's water level was adjusted (lowered) by man (dams) in order to build up water levels in adjoining lakes(just a few examples).

Then, they don't take into account the precipitation factor such as years w/ less rain/snow fall that can replenish the lakes or rivers.

Its just too easy for them to blame it on "Global Warming" without having to face reality.

Ken, you list many sites, however, what you fail to realize is that these are sites that are funded by whom???  Government agencies, political action groups, special interest groups, schools (of which recieve funding and grants from whom?).. All of these groups have people to "answer to". In addition, those people also rely on MONEY for "continuing research", in other words, IF they actually showed the TRUTH about the myth of g/w....they and all their cronies would be out of a job because the money would stop coming in.  So one wonders why they will stretch, twist the truth to fit their needs??? So, the MONEY keeps coming in.

Also, try researching Gore's "co-winner" of the Nobel...a nice little article written by Monckton revealing how data was exaggerated, twisted by Gore and the IPCC AFTER the scientists submitted it to them.  They "modified" this info without the scientists knowledge or approval and thats why many of those alleged 2000 scientists who allegedly support Gore in fact don't.  When he (Monckton) confronted them with it, they quietly changed it and awarded him the Nobel also.

Answer 16

Just one below average winter, which doesn't mean a thing.  It happened in 1982, 1991-1992, 1999-2000.  EVERY TIME global warming came back stronger than ever.  Proof.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/

discussed in detail, with confirmation, at:

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/g...

As long as we keep making greenhouse gases in enormous amounts, global warming will dominate in the long run.  It's simple physics.

http://earthguide.ucsd.edu/earthguide/di...

"the burden of "proof" is on AGW to show it explains data better than assuming no AGW."

This has been done over and over again in many scientific papers.  Here's just one of them:

Meehl, G.A., W.M. Washington, C.A. Ammann, J.M. Arblaster, T.M.L. Wigleym and C. Tebaldi (2004). "Combinations of Natural and Anthropogenic Forcings in Twentieth-Century Climate". Journal of Climate 17: 3721-3727

But anybody who still thinks the Iraq war was a good idea is clearly beyond facts and reason.

Answer 17

Weather = temporary local conditions of temperature, wind & precipitation (e.g. white Easter)

Climate = an average of weather over a 30 year period.

Global Warming = the slow long-term rising temperature over the entire surface of the planet averaged throughout the year.  It has nothing to do with the elimination of winter.

FYI linking to the oism web-site, as if that's some kind of evidence against global warming, demonstrates poor on-line researching skills.  Read up on their deceptive tactics, and you'll understand why.

I'd encourage you to educate yourself a little before making more assertions about global warming.  Here are some sites to start you off:

The 2008 National Academy of Sciences Summary Brochure on Climate Change

http://dels.nas.edu/dels/rpt_briefs/clim...



The University Corporation for Atmospheric Research Global Warming FAQs

http://www.ucar.edu/news/features/climat...



Department of Geology and Geophysics at Yale Global Warming FAQ

http://earth.geology.yale.edu/~sherwood/...



NOAA Global Warming FAQ

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/glob...



EPA Climate Change

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/

The Scientific Basis for Anthropogenic Climate Change

http://chriscolose.wordpress.com/2007/12...



The Discovery of Global Warming (great history site)

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/



Skeptical Science - Examing Global Warming Skepticism

http://www.skepticalscience.com/



Anti-global heating claims - a reasonably thorough debunking

http://scholarsandrogues.wordpress.com/2...



NewScientist Climate change: A guide for the perplexed

http://environment.newscientist.com/chan...

The Consensus on Global Warming

http://www.logicalscience.com/consensus/...



Scientific Opinion on Climate Change

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_...

Answer 18

What are you talking about? The winter months have been between 1-3 degrees above average. See for yourself at:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/

I hope it snows lots cos I love it and expect it will be rarer in coming years. *Woo-ooh woo-ooh* (opps sorry that was the alarm sounding, better remove the batteries).

Edit:

Ground based measurements unreliable? Quick tell the met office! Oh hang on it's already dealt with:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/arc...

Given your knowledge appears to be from a series of overwhelmingly biased websites I wonder if you could provide a link to satellite data from a reliable source to support your claim.

Edit II

You are 10 years out of date with your evidence. 2 websites you cite are based on a single study, and neither point to the actual data.  I suggest you look at the following link for up-to-date data which uses a combination of satellite, ground based and ship temperature measurements and explains how the urban heat island effects are dealt with in the analysis.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

Also, I'm confused, cos if you accept the planet is warming anyway then your question is redundant.

Answer 19

What d'you want,elliont?