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Do You Believe in What You Cannot See?

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WHEN someone says, 'I believe only in what I can see,' he is not speaking literally. Actually, we all believe in things that we cannot see.

For example, at school you may have performed an experiment designed to prove the existence of a magnetic field. It may go like this: Sprinkle iron filings on a sheet of paper. Then place the sheet over the magnet. When the sheet is vibrated, as if by magic the iron filings bunch up near the magnet's poles and form into the pattern of the magnetic field. If you did that, could you actually see the magnetic field? No, but its effect on the iron filings is plain to see, giving you convincing proof that magnetism exists.

We accept without question other things that we cannot see. When we look at a beautiful painting or admire a fine sculpture, we do not doubt the existence of a painter or a sculptor. So when we contemplate a waterfall or gaze at a sunset, should we not be moved at least to consider the possibility that they are the work of a Great Artist or Sculptor?

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  1. Just because something exists, it doesn't mean it had a creator.  That is a very human-centric fallacy (because we make things, we think all things had to be made).

    Just because something is invisible it doesn't mean it's undetectable:  we can see the impact of magnetism and have found ways to measure things like electricity.  You can't do either of those with a god.

    We also know there were other ways that waterfalls and sunsets happen that have nothing to do with divine powers.

    As for emotions, love (and hate, and all the others) are physical reactions in the body's limbic system - as anyone who has suffered from depression will tell you.  They are real, tangible and can be measured.


  2. Why don't you apply the same principle to the Bible God's morality?

    The Bible God worshipped by the Christians in America is the one that forced his chosen people to eat their own children for dinner NOT AS A PUNISHMENT, but as an option in time of famine. God never objected about killing and cooking a child for dinner! Bigot Christians who are not openly pro-life because of an abortion in the family are furiously anti-g*y! And vice versa!

    Nothing is taken out of context here. The Bible was obviously written by some primitive “holy men of God” who knew how to control religious people... Any religion then was as savage as you can possibly imagine. The Bible is a hangover from those days... The Bible God is too bloody and wicked for just any person to believe without substantial manicuring of the Bible. America is ONE NATION UNDER GOD and IN GOD WE TRUST only because of the collapse of our gold monetary system. It did the trick of calming down a lot of Christians. Instead of reading the Bible Christians listen to their preachers!

    Christians blame atheists of being “baby killers,” but that’s only to cover up their own shortcomings! The Bible writers made the “loving God” totally powerless to teach his chosen people a lesson without FORCING them to eat their own children for dinner for whatever reason in the “good and spacious land flowing with milk and honey”* (*According to the Bible, this was factual ONLY before Israel invaded Palestine. The former dwellers lived well in abundance!). This primitive Bible God takes it on the innocent children! Paradoxically, Christians are banning ALL ABORTIONS so there will be more children for dinner! Spiritually speaking, of course…!

    The Bible Jehovah God's sadistic pleasures are the kinkiest ones ever to be invented in human history...!!! Throughout history not a Godless atheistic dictator in the world EVER thought of forcing his people to eat their own children for dinner...!!! This is so repulsive that no s**t publication EVER thought of publishing anything like that, either but you can enjoy reading all about it in the Bible! Christians feel that the DEVIL is seeding this information in their Bible to confuse them! Obviously, reading the Bible in an obscure King James verbiage helps them to cover up any gross savagery very easily!

    Leviticus 26:29 - (God says) YOU WILL eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters* (*without warning of any evil! Christians know that “if God says it I believe it… and that settles it!”)

    Deuteronomy 28:53-57 - Because of the suffering that your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, YOU WILL EAT THE FRUIT OF THE WOMB, THE FLESH OF THE SONS AND DAUGHTERS THE LORD YOUR GOD HAS GIVEN YOU* (*God won’t protect the innocent children, but his chosen people will enjoy eating them…! Praise the LORD! Sweet Jesus! Amen?). Even the most gentle and sensitive man* (*not a homosexual or a “Godless” atheist, but a chosen child of God!) among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his surviving children* (*after eating the youngest ones!), and he will not give to one of them any of the flesh of his children that he is eating…* (*This is so devilish! NOT SHARING!!!)

    Jeremiah 19:9  I* (*God, NOT SATAN, but GOD!) WILL MAKE THEM EAT THE FLESH OF THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS...

    God won’t force you to eat PIGS, but your own children, YES! This was written for the pleasure of the bizarre oriented right wing American Fundies who support this kinda God! The Holy Inquisition hardly measured up to God’s standards and even the Westboro Baptist Church falls far behind!

    Ezekiel 5:10 - Therefore in your midst fathers WILL EAT THEIR CHILDREN...*

    Most Bible writers are going berserk conveying God’s message about eating children! Please notice that GOD NEVER SPOKE A WORD AGAINST EATING YOUR OWN CHILDREN FOR DINNER in the plentiful Holy Land! It took 2 men to carry a single bunch of grapes to show Israel how plentiful was the Heathen place that they were going to invade (Num 13:23)! Even in Egypt Israel was much better off. They never had to eat their own children! God actually tricked them to leave Egypt to make them eat their own children in the Promised Holy Land!  

    Lamentations 4:10 - With their own hands COMPASSIONATE women* (*GODLY… Not lesbians or atheistic ladies, but God loving heterosexual “WOMEN” --plural/many!)  HAVE COOKED THEIR OWN CHILDREN...! Not in a moment of rage, but with some planning, recipes, and so on!)

    These are not the only a few cases of FACTUAL eating of children in the Bible!!! Here is an episode in FULL EXPLICIT CONTEXT that is impossible for the Christian clergy to explain away, but they do it for the sake of your tithes and offerings!

    2 Kings 6:26-29 (NIV) As the king of Israel was passing by on the wall, a woman cried to him, “Help me, my lord the king!” The king replied, “If the Lord* (*God) does not help you, where can I get help for you? From the threshing floor? From the winepress?” Then he asked her, “What's the matter?” She answered, “This woman said to me, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him today, and tomorrow we'll eat my son.’ So we cooked my son and ate him* (*BTW… it came out delicious!!!). The next day I said to her, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him,’ but she had hidden him.”* (*…this is the actual sin!)

    They were all “compassionate” Godly, non-Atheistic, heterosexual women that HAVE COOKED THEIR OWN CHILDREN FOR DINNER...! The Bible writers still say that “God is LOVE”! Christians must be blinded by the “GOD IS LOVE” commercial in the Bible… it is like a real spell… It really is!

    Isaiah 49:15 “Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I* (*God) WILL NOT FORGET YOU!*

    (*The Clergy knows how to cover up and explain away the overwhelming Bible evidence to the contrary!)

    These are not obscure isolated verses in the Bible, but eating your own children is part of the Bible theme. The clergy can still market Christianity in our advanced society after YEARS OF CHRISTIAN BIBLE SCHOOLING to learn how to do it just right for each brand of the Christian faith!

    The Bible writers are delighted to tell us that Jesus was whipped, beaten, thoroughly marinated in Roman spit, and nailed to a Holy Cross as a “spotless Lamb of God.” Then the Christian MUST EAT HIS ROMAN SPIT FLAVORED MEAT AND DRINK HIS HOLY BLOOD to make it to Heaven! (John 6:53) The idea of eating one’s sons and daughters is part of the BIBLE story so the forever cannibalizing of God the Son Jesus Christ in the Holy Communion is not half that bad…! The Bible also promotes the killing of infants to get rid of future enemies of God!!!

    Psalm 137:8-9 - O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us- he who seizes your infants and DASHES them against the rocks.

    The Bible writers say that the enemies of God ought to be killed in their infancy when it is easier to get rid of them (Amen?) So abortion is not remotely that bad. In fact, IT IS VERY HUMANE...!!! Notice “humane” versus “Godly.” Godly requires that the fetus be born into a child before he/she can be dashed to pieces as an infant! The Egyptian midwives were doing this kind of abortion on the willing Hebrew ladies! No other form of safe induced abortion was known then!

    Isaiah 13:16 (KJV) Their* (*God’s chosen people’s) little ones also will be DASHED TO PIECES before their eyes; Their houses will be plundered And their wives ravished…. (How many sexually starved godly women would wish to be ravished? But the children must be DASHED TO PIECES – not aborted! Praise the LORD!)

    Sadly, that the liberal media doesn’t get involved in reporting any religious story in the Bible! By the way, God the Son Jesus Christ is hardly any better than his own Daddy God up in the sky!

    Revelation 2:23 (NIV) (In his apocalyptic “revelation” for the last days Jesus Christ says) I WILL STRIKE HER CHILDREN DEAD* (*No abortionist can beat Jesus at killing babies… AMEN? Sweet Jesus is the one killing the children so he can teach everybody a lesson on WHO IS THE BOSS! Preachers have earned millions printing books about Jesus love for the little children of the world without telling anybody about his vicious children killing craze. In our society today Jesus would be in jail for bullying about killing children to favor a particular religion!!!). Then ALL THE CHURCHES WILL KNOW that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.* (*I’m the BOSS says Jesus! He is far more daring than the Mafia because the Mafia doesn’t go public talking like that. Christians love this message because Jesus is God!)

    We definitely need a better Bible more in accord with factual science and realistic moral values if religion needs to survive as a crutch for low self esteemed people!

    Most Christians pretend to ignore that the Bible is an old religious people control device and today a money making machine exploiting human religious gullibility! Christians don’t know how to deal with plain FACTS either from science or from their own Bible that they hardly read! Their preachers, the Pope, Bush and all his spiritual advisors subscribe, worship and rule millions of people by this Bible God notion!

    Romans 15:4 (Saint Paul says) For EVERYTHING that was written in the past* (*Old Testament) was written to teach us* (*Christians)...

    Then Christians are forced to lie that not everything written in the Bible is for them...! Actually, the Bible writers were all screwed up!

  3. Yes, I breath it every day.  I also am made up of tiny molecules that I know are there but I can't see.   Otherwise I wouldn't be here.  I have a brain that none can see.  But I function so it must be there.  

  4. Actually, have you seen modern art? I will doubt the existence of a painter if I want to.

    The Great Artist is simply the laws of nature, I'm afraid. The four cosmic forces, the properties of the elements are enough to explain pretty much everything naturally, without involving the supernatural.

  5. yes, it's called faith.

  6. No. And you simply do not understand the pitfalls of inferential thinking. You see a rock. Scientists will tell you if that rock is igneous or sedimentary. You say, 'goddidit', and learn NOTHING about that rock. If you believe in a 'god' and then decide that 'goddidit', then nothing science tells you will be accepted. And you will be the poorer for it.

  7. Can't see air, can we?  Can't see love, or feelings. Can't see hate.  Can't see bigotry..but they all exist.  I can't see China, but I know it's there.  Yes, I do.

  8. I believe I have a Brain- thing is I cannot see it.Which in no way means it does not exist.

    Good Question.!

  9. We know and understand the painting process and have hard evidence to back it up.  The existence of painters.  The existence of paint.  Of brushes.  Of canvass.  We know how all these things work together, because we have seen it.

    But, there is no evidence that a divine creator created the universe.

  10. No we should not. There is no evidence that any being exists on some other plane and a waterfall is a natural occurrence.

    Try asking a Pascal's Wager question.

  11. A chinese philosopher once dreamt about being a butterfly. WHen he woke up, he was not sure whether he is a dreaming butterfly or he has dreamt about being a butterfly. The moral? Both dream or reality comes from what we sense and how are we supposed to know what to believe?

    As human being, our subjective consiousness try to understand the world surrending us through our 5 senses. Our understanding of the world is hence limited by our 5 sense. It is hard to image that the objective universe is limited to what can be understood through our 5 senses. THere got to be a lot out there, just like it is hard to image an ant can comprehend human culture. TO believe there is more out there is different from to understand what is out there. We need our 5 sense to understand but not to believe.

    Limited by our 5 senses, we may never know who created nature, whether that is a Great Artist, a group of super-being, or continue to ask who is the great artist who created the great artist, we all hence have the options to choose whatever we would like to believe.

  12. No we should not.

    With the painting it is obvious there was a creator.

    They don't just spring up from nature.

    Such things as a waterfall or sunset are completely natural and the beauty is subjective to the viewer. What if I picked up a rock and asked you if you thought there was a creator because of how beautiful it is?

  13. The things we can't physically see ARE the things that

    are the most powerful and substantial - especially God!

    Our own awareness is something we can not physically see

    yet is one of the circumstantial as well as paradoxical proofs of God

    existing.

    Knowing God is a very deep, intrinsic, spiritual awareness that makes us as strong as we can possibly ever be!

    There are physical results of knowing God that increase

    our faith more and more that He is there - always was

    and always will be! (such as detailed answered prayers

    and the word of God being sharper than a two-edged

    sword).

  14. Most definitely! The Greatest Sculptor & the Greatest Artist of all time,

    the Creator Himself, made the Waterfalls, Sunset, Dawn,the mountains

    & the Sea's. What an Artist, who else can make such splendor.

  15. Oh I see.  Paintings and sculptures are created by artists, therefore god exists.  

    Now be honest with yourself, do you really think you've made a logical argument here?

  16. I'm assuming you're trying to say some supernatural being created the universe. Sorry, but there is no evidence for that and on it's face it's irrational.

  17. I'm an atheist, but I'm not so arrogant as to believe that there are things that exist that I can not see, measure, or even conceive.  At one time, the best minds could not see or conceive of cells and bacteria.  Later, it was atoms.  Imagine what we'll be able to "see" tomorrow.

    I believe there is a whole universe full of things that exist that I can not see.  The more we can see, the less we seem to need a supernatural being to explain the workings of the universe.

  18. The honeybee lands on the invisible, ultra-violet landing pads on the petals of certain flowers that guide the bee to the pollen and the nectar. I cannot see those landing pads but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Similarly, the bee can't see the colour red but that does not mean it can fly through a tomato. Our five senses are picked up by our brains to make sense of those senses. But that does not prove that anything that cannot be captured by our five senses doesn't exist.

    It's little short of tragic that those who set such great store by Science conclude that just because they've sussed the existence of invisible things and the reasons why they exist, this proves that they only exist by blind chance. Who says there is no intelligent design at back of those invisible things? Science? And what proof can it offer?

  19. No, because there is a better explanation for what we see than "God" in most instances.

    Science has made God an optional explanation for many things, like lightning, animal evolution, storms, the movement of the planets, etc.

    A waterfall doesn't need a creator, nor is it proof of a creator. A waterfall is just a waterfall, intelligent and beautiful all by itself, a natural outcome of many natural forces. Nothing supernatural required.


  20. It's called faith. I believe in things that I cannot see. There is worldly faith and Godly faith. Worldly faith is that you basically believe in things that you can see physically. Godly faith is believing in things that you cannot see from the physically eye but spiritually.  

  21. If I can't feel it, see it, touch it, smell it or taste it, it isn't there.

  22. Yes I believe something i can't see. Like God.  

  23. We have empirical evidence on the existence of magnetism. We think with our minds, not with silly "eye-candy-the-world-looks-beautiful in my silly subjective perspective."

  24. Yes, I believe in many things that I cannot see, my friend............First, I believe in God...........I believe that my parents loved me..........I truly believe my husband loves me --- amazing, how 'love' seems to be the main thing I believe in, yet it is not something that is visible............

    God Bless..................

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