Do feminists really know where changes in domestic violence laws are taking us to?

Question

Heroin addicts don't start off hooked. They would not dream of leaping from a good life to ruin in one step; there are always lots of small steps. Likewise domestic violence laws have gone from

1/ Physical Violence (VAWA etc) to

2/ Verbal Violence.

Since 2006 Indian men can be jailed for insulting their wives, partners etc. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article614140.ece

A question poster earlier on G&WS about "eye-rape" (i.e. staring lustfully at a woman) made me wonder how far we are from considering this a crime of

3/ Body Language Violence. From here its a very small step to Orwell's concept of thoughtcrime:

4/ Thought Violence e.g. writing something online that can be interpreted as approving violence against women.

They say the road to h**l is paved with good intentions, and some feminists probably just want to end violence against women. Fair enough, but do you think feminism is in danger of moving us all to some very dark places without really knowing it?

Answer 1

Feminist as a group is party responsible for the closeness of totalitarianism in America.

The idea is basically to make families weaker, thus making the government stronger. The effect is that we have slowly but steady being drawn closer to an Orwellian society.

Like a frog that is boiled slowly, instead of thrown directly into boiling water. We are being boiled alive and we hadn't notice it.

Eventually the world will be subdivided into governments of continets and then into one world order.

Where the immense majority will be slaves to the 1% that control 90% of the land.  

I am sorry government, but my family comes first. And we will not go out without a fight.

Answer 2

Okay, first of all, the law in India will actually have no effect because there are plenty of good laws in India that can NOT be enforced due to poor policing.  So I'm afraid the level of domestic violence in India will not go down.

Second of all, if you read that article, you will see that the law is in response to worse crimes than simply shouting; women have been horribly abused for many years now and the law has not done a thing to help them.  This law is the first law that specifically protects against domestic violence.  Yes, it could be privy to abuse, so it does go too far, but you must understand the context in which this law was made.  You are taking the one clause out of its context.

And for goodness sake, this doesn't fall under feminism, it falls under basic human rights.

Answer 3

Moving us ALL? Think about it. Just half of ALL. No big deal for feminists. They always wanted a world without men:

http://nzmera.orcon.net.nz/femqotes.html

Domestic Violence Act in India is miles ahead of VAWA in terms of sexism:

http://mynation.wordpress.com/2007/12/24...

http://mynation.net/study-report-dvact.h...

I don't need to bleat on about how sexist VAWA is over and over. Just read this answer of mine people:

http://sg.answers.yahoo.com/question/ind...

Conclusion:

Of course feminists know and that was what they intended these laws for! Protecting women from abuse was actually secondary. Punishing and battering men was the primary objective of these laws.

Answer 4

I actually read the article and I don't think its a bad idea.   I'm not sure about the effect of insults but threats are verbal and should be banned.     I did not see anything that covered your 3 & 4.    I think you protest WAYYYYYY to much about domestic violence laws.

Answer 5

"Do you think feminism is in danger of moving us all to some very dark places without really knowing it?"

No.  I do not.

Answer 6

I really hope that Indian men will rise up, speak out and protest against that law.

Answer 7

I personally think this is a great law and should be implemented. I do not think it is going to dark places. I think men have little to no respect for women. Just cause words don't leave physical bruises doesn't mean it doesn't hurt deaply. I have read many articles about womens need to encourage their male counterparts. These articles tell how women should tell men how great they are and yada yada. However with Man Rules where if you even tell your wife or daughter you love or care about them you are less of a man. Men think by insulting their wives, mothers and daughters they are more of a man. The question should be why is it ok for men to constantly put down women but women can't return the favor. Violence against women is a world wide problem and until men see it as important to stop instead of just trashing women again and again then we will never really be equal to men. Why do you think it is ok for men to insult their wives all the time?hy can't men just love their d**n wives instead of using them like slaves and s*x toys? Verbal violence only leads to physical violence. The problem is that men don't beleive that women are abused or raped. If it weren't for women no one would be on this earth. Women are the givers of life without us you wouldn't exist.

Answer 8

i get the feeling that many of the feminist youth are happy with the direction this is going in.

but what can we do?

ireland isn't bad but i got a shock in australia, the thing is, they don't even realise. just goes to show how easy it is to manipulate the masses.

@ sam, i think you are deliberately missing the point and trying to imply that objecting to draconian gender biased laws as the same thing as supporting dv. have you lived in a muslim country? ill tell you this, its the women who make or break girls reputation with malicious gossip and rumors, in india the mother in law is often the instigator of bride burnings. men are just as likely to be victimised as women, so why support a law that aims to fix only one side of the problem.

these laws are not about domestic violence, they are about one gender gaining the power to have the other arrested, locked up and legally take the others assets for raising their voice.

you have probably never know a radical feminist either, these people are unwell and seek vengeance, not equality, and you voice your support.

Answer 9

VAWA and other such rogue laws are the beginning of the end.

There is no stronger alliance than men and women working together in harmony. The shadowy anti-human people behind rogue laws such as these (and do not assume that they are all "feminists") aim to undermine that alliance.

Those of you who call yourself feminists may probably think you have scored more browny points. But just stand back and think for a moment.

When you have rid the world of men and destroyed the human alliance it will be your turn next.

Answer 10

I could see there being more and more restrictions put on any sort of negative action towards women. I think it is a drak place. In America, it would fringe on interferring with constitutional rights.

Answer 11

For the record, I identify as a feminist and I think that most of the things you're talking about are both ridiculous and a little scary. How can insulting someone be illegal? I mean, sure, I wouldn't put up with it, but I shouldn't be able to throw someone in jail just for calling me names. The "eye rape" thing is stupid too, unless it crosses the line into stalking - in which case the crime would be stalking, not some stupid BS like that. Thought violence, of course, needs no comment.

VAWA I think would be ok if it lost the gender-specific overtones. But that's it.

Anyway, point is, yes. Some of us do understand.

Answer 12

Silly reducto ad absurdum argument.

Answer 13

Although she is reviled by Feminists. Phylis Schafly is acurately predicted g*y Marriage and many other issues now happening. VAWA and other Feminist inspired Laws are eroding Freedoms in the US for Both Genders. When Men are finally subjugated Women will have nobody to protect them. g**s will be the next demographic to be exploited by the Greedy Vulture in the Legal business. Who are salivating at the prospects of g*y Divorce, Custody hearings, Case law to be argued etc.

Fees Fees Fees and more Fees. Lawyers are about their compensation. Women who think that the Social Engineers who have removed Men by the Millions from their homes. Treat Divorced Fathers like Terrorists. Should see what has happened in Texas to the FLDS folk a minority as a wake up call. If the State can take their children on an unfounded accusation, with all of their Lawyers.

What can the Government do to you, when they decide they want your children? ANYTHING THEY WANT. We are headed toward a Totalitarian Slave State. Already men behind on Child Support cannot get a passport.

A Man in Indiana is serving 7 years for being behind on Child Support. There are Men in Prison for Manslaughter a Capital Crime serving a shorter sentence. Wake up ladies. Your turn to be exploited is coming soon.

Answer 14

diksha is right. the pampered people giving thumbs down have no idea how terrifying it is to be a poor Indian woman with NO recourse, either to family, friends, law enforcers, the legal system. (nor have i, but i have more of an idea.) think the police are corrupt in america? think it's hard to be a victim of domestic abuse in a western country? think again.

Answer 15

Before we jump too far to conclusions lets wait and see if these laws are applied equitably to both sexes.  The body-language and name-calling laws do seem a bit excessive, but if they work....

Answer 16

I've always said that people lack common sense and always tend to take things to ridiculous extremes. This is just one more example. It's always one stupid extreme or the other. We've been turning into a police state for quite a while now.