Do feminists secretly enjoy seeing men suffer?

Question

Despite mass hysteria at the merest hint that a woman suffers an injustice, when issues like domestic violence by women against men are raised on G&WS it is pretty clear that many feminists don't care in the least that men are suffering. In fact I wonder if they even enjoy the suffering of men as revenge for the years of 'oppression by The Patriarchy'.

Feminists: be honest - do you actually care if you hear of a man suffering?

Answer 1

haha.. wow! it is true that some women would like to see some bad men suffer but all men, that's just ridiculous.   Most men are quite wonderful.

Answer 2

subjected anyone to any kind of unfair treatment is just wrong, whether you are a woman or a man

Answer 3

I have 2 brothers, a father, and 15 male cousins. Of course, I care about men suffering just as much if my female cousins or mom were suffering. Anyone hurts those men I'll be enraged and do something about it.

Answer 4

No, not all feminists are secretive. And not all feminists ignore the suffering of men.

Answer 5

no, not at all.

Answer 6

Based on their answers, yes.  But, since it's a secret they will say no.

Answer 7

Well, as do all true feminists, including yourself, I feel great sympathy for anyone affected by unequal laws / treatment :-)

Answer 8

Of course!...and I'm so honest. I care if a friend, my brother, my bf suffer, why kind of monster can see another person (men or not) suffering and just don't care!

Answer 9

Feminists in practice most certainly enjoy that. Just take a look at this:

http://nzmera.orcon.net.nz/femqotes.html

Dictionary feminists generally don't enjoy men suffering. But Zidane and Poo Poo make good points.

Have you noticed how right Zidane actually is? I never quite disputed the need for women to have their rights (my only debate was the responsibilities), but feminists keep denying that men actually need more rights to go with the additional responsibilities they have.

Feminists in the west today are actually not needed, as the west is equal. It is equalists that are. While I feel equalist feminists (what a term!) have sympathy, they aren't going to do anything about it. But men did give support to feminism and actually did something for it, without which it would still be crusading today.

No matter how much for equality feminists try to be, women always matter that little bit more to them.

It is clear that while they do care, they'd rather let someone else do the work while they sit on their couches reading the latest Cosmo.

Men have to do it themselves. Without expecting feminist support.

LOL to Zidane at the last point he made about feminist honesty. And kudos to him (and you) for the 'revenge' theory.

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EDIT: Sure, sam. I wonder how you can so blindly claim you've read all of doodlebugjim's links (of which mine, including the ones posted here are a subset), and still ask me to elaborate as if you knew nothing.

VAWA and phony femstats* have seen men's constitutional rights violated by letting women just throw a man in jail when they wanted to. Is there a brass farthing's worth of responsibility attached to this right women have? No.

VAWA:

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/rober...

http://www.glennsacks.com/blog/?p=1250

*Phony femstats are dissed by Professor Kelly here:

http://www.law.fsu.edu/journals/lawrevie...

Women have undeserved quotas:

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/affirm...

Divorce courts continually consider the woman the better parent by default, without realizing the consequences of that. Oh, and 'child support' is a responsibility men have with no right to actually see the children. Don't trust me?:

http://shatterdmen.com/Fathers%20who%20n...

http://www.photius.com/feminocracy/facts...

http://www.childrensjustice.org/stats.ht...

http://www.breakingthescience.org/SJC_GB...

Even boys don't escape, as they are still in educational trouble:

http://blog.acton.org/index.html?/archiv...

http://www.iwf.org/publications/show/197...

There you go. Women have all sorts of rights with very little responsibilities. Men have very little rights will all sorts of responsibilities. (OK, so maybe the boys part was not a good example, but it is still males at a disadvantage, and feminists not giving a d**n about it, so it is related to the question)

Abortion is a grey area few people can touch, but I will do so bravely. (I doubt if it is as good a response to your blind diss of my answer as the previous things were, but here I go):

While there is no denying women deserve abortion rights, men do need a say as well, and should really have the right to opt out of caring for unwanted children. (monetarily or otherwise) Nobody wants to pay for children they don't want. You took a smart diss at some other answer of mine pointing out that women aren't unemployed. Then why chase men for money anymore? Surely money isn't a problem now? Isn't this men having responsibility with no rights? And this is not even a responsibility women can't take nowadays, as you were so quick to point out that day (although your language was hardly as clean as mine)

I doubt you'll actually read anything though.

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I'll explain bit-by-bit.

VAWA:

Women can practically throw a man in jail due to the must-arrest clause and 'the woman's word is truth' metality. Any responsibilities detected? Not with my four eyes. But men, though having lost a right, have lost no responsibility.

Divorce:

Taking the child? HER right. Raising the child? THEIR responsibility. Though fathers are as important as mothers, their worth is ignored, and mothers are considered better by default. When sam starts paying for children she most likely will never see (and will never know how that money is used by the mother), she will understand what 'hitched' men are going through.

75% of divorces are intiated by women. Surely that number is too large for most of them to be putting an end to an abusive relationship rather than taking everything of worth and fleeing.

Read the other links yourself, I'm going to sleep...

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Do feminists enjoy seeing men suffer? Well, they certainly enjoy making them suffer for saying anything against feminism:

http://www.ukmm.org.uk/issues/suppressio...

sam, if you could so blindly ask for explanations after reading doodlebugjim's links, you must be one of those feminists who doesn't care, or one of those feminists who lie, lie and lie some more to get points. You post what you know is the right answer to this question, and then expose your dishonesty. Zidane certainly was right about the potatoes. I suspect you thumbed him down for being right. I think potatoes actually have a better chance of doing an Einstein than feminists of being honest.

Posting for thumbs-ups and points is different from posting honestly. Always remember that, sam. I personally couldn't care less about points, as I got enough of them in the Mathematics and Wrestling sections. I'm always honest, and give honest answers instead of the 'correct' answer to a question.

EDIT: sam usually has a smart response to my answers within hours. What happened now? One of your oversmart disses came back to nip you in the bud. That has to be hard, eh? Tough luck. I just lost some respect for you. Make that a lot of respect.

Answer 10

I bet some of them do.

Answer 11

Most feminists have men in their lives, husbands, sons, fathers, and brothers.  So the answer is NO!

Answer 12

You know, sometimes your audacity really astounds me. Do you honestly believe, even for a second, that anyone with even a shred of decency would enjoy seeing people suffer when they haven't done anything to deserve it?

Answer 13

Yup, a lot. Remember when Kobe was falsely accused of molestation. The feminists where sure in heaven when they got to slander his good name.

Answer 14

Some might enjoy it. I don't. I like men. Some of them I even love, whether romantically or as family or as friends. Contrary to what you might think, I actually do see them as people, and I respect their rights and their wishes. I would like to see TRUE equality, with both men and women considered and treated as people.

Of course, I am also not one of these people who thinks ALL men are oppressive and deserving of punishment. I might not like the system, but that does not mean all people who happen to have been born male are guilty of anything.

Answer 15

Whether it's the truth or not, do you really think that any of them would say that they do enjoy seeing men suffer?

Answer 16

The more that someone fears and hates something, the more likely he or she is to use the unhealthy defense mechanism of projection.  Anna Freud brought this defense mechanism into our social consciousness, describing it as a defense mechanism that involves taking our own unacceptable qualities or feelings and ascribing them to other people.  Misogynists, for example, universally believe that all women want all men to suffer.  That feeds their fears and hatred in a vicious delusional loop.

Women who hate men are called misandrists.  Men who hate women are called misogynists.  Hatred is psychology and these mental diseases are mental health issues.  Feminism is not a psychology but a politic.  There are mentally ill men and women who hate the opposite s*x in all political parties and politics.  Feminism is a branch of humanism and strives to promote universal respect for the human rights of all people and strives to reduce the sufferings caused by the "traditional" Master / Slave moralities that all people and society are damaged by.

Answer 17

Of course...I'm not out for revenge against men.

I'll agree that some of the things done in the feminist movement, wasn't perfect.   please name a perfect movement or social group?

Fully support fathers rights and several other issues.

however tbh somethings I can see as sexist against men but dont know a real solution to...like abortion.

Answer 18

Why are you asking us? Of course we care. I read all your posts and links. I've also posted questions to try and address the mindset we have when it comes to abuse of men. I am an extremely compassionate person, where it concerns the suffering of normal people. Intolerant bigots, they can all go to the h**l they love to rave on about as far as I'm concerned. As can teenage thugs who go around beating people to death and the like.

EDIT

'men actually need more rights to go with the additional responsibilities they have.'

Undertaker, care to explain what you mean by this?

Answer 19

suffering of anyone bothers me, fictitious or not, regardless of gender. it's just the way i am.

also, i find it ironic and just a teensy bit irritating that while many men claim women are "naturally" more nurturing, they also claim that feminists hate men and don't care about their pain. pick a side, guys. you really can't have it both ways.

Answer 20

I think that while the feminists that are almost equalists have some sympathy for men who suffer, they are unlikely to do anything about it.

On the other hand, if a man behaves the same way towards women's issues, he would become the subject of media dissing till he commits suicide.

Most feminists, I believe, do enjoy seeing men suffer, because that was their objective all along: to make men today suffer for what their forefathers did. Good logic. It is the typical logic one would expect from feminists in the west.

Undertaker, hopscotch, rebel man and you consistently raise men's issues, and they are consistently argued against or put down by the feminists here. Yet I don't see you guys diss women's issues. Why am I feeling that is no coincidence?

One more thing, Jim. Expecting feminists to be honest is like expecting a potato to research time travel.

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EDIT: sam, I take that quite personally. Let me point out a few other things, as Undertaker seems to have taken the liberty of exposing your stupidity, memory loss, dishonesty and blatant sadism.

First, you say this:

"Of course we care. I READ ALL YOUR POSTS AND LINKS. I've also posted questions to try and address the mindset we have when it comes to abuse of men. I am an EXTREMELY COMPASSIONATE PERSON, where it concerns the SUFFERING OF NORMAL PEOPLE." (Emphasis mine)

You read all of Jim's posts and links, and then you have the nerve to say this:

"Undertaker, care to explain what you men by this?"

when Undertaker's and Jim's links aren't all that different. In fact, the only difference is Jim's news stories. Your passion for misandry eventually overcame your ability to post 'correct' answers rather than honest ones.

I can draw three conclusions from your bigotry (And I'm not just referring to this answer of yours):

1) You are not compassionate and you are a sadistic misandrist who couldn't care less if all men went to h**l

2) You're a liar.

3) You don't think men are normal people.

Undertaker may be 15, but he's far more mature and civilised that you are, you intolerant bigot (yes, that's what you are). I read your other answer in that abortion question, and I could see you were either not thinking straight, or you were a misandrist who meant those insults. Shame on you, a 15 year-old boy obssessed with science and math has to teach a grown woman like you how to behave and keep your head under pressure. You're older only in age, I can tell you that.

And you went so far as to say you would send Undertaker and Jim nice emails in Eleanor's question the other day. I don't think you meant that. You again showed your ability to post the 'correct' answer rather than an honest one. In fact, I wouldn't be half-surprised if you sent nasty emails to them under other account names.

You can go get f-cked before you bleat on about you understanding men's issues in another dishonest answer, you teenage thug. (Yes, you're still mentally a cranky teen. Did your brother outscore you in the exams again? Born a spoilt princess, always a spoilt princess, I say)

Answer 21

That's kind of a stupid question isn't it?  My wife is a feminist and if she hears about an actual event where a man is mistreated she gets just as upset as if it were to happen to a women.  Maybe the ladies see no need in answering some of the BS questions put here to try and make them look bad.