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Do u agree that there are cars that only need ellectricty and give the same performance as a petrol car?

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the likes of esso and shell pay millions to the people that can make these cars so they can still sell there oil???????

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  1. No, but you can try to find one and post the links.


  2. Philip, if you think it's such a foolish notion that the manufacture of electric cars has been suppressed, how do you explain that the big automakers have bought the patents on batteries and are restricting their usage?  GM once made a very successful electric car, the EV1, but they pulled it off the market and crushed all of them and now they won't use battery power in anything but hybrids.

    The Bush admnistration wasn't even willing to back hybrid technology, and they chose to back hydrogen power, which is still 20 years away from being practical for mass production vehicles.  That's a transparent scheme to maximize oil profits until after Bush, Cheney, and their cronies have retired.

    Fortunately Tesla Motors isn't under the thumb of Big Oil like the Big Three automakers are, so there's still hope.  Their current model is very expensive, but they're planning to offer a somewhat more affordable sports sedan, and a still more affordable third model a few years down the road.

  3. The notion that the petroleum industry is suppressing the production of electric cars is foolish indeed!

    It reminds me of the stories back in the 1950s stating that the oil companies bought up patent rights to carburetors that would guarantee 85 miles per gallon for any car.

    A simple understanding of chemistry and physics will assure any one with a knowledge of engineering that those claims were IMPOSSIBLE.

    That is NOT saying new technology won't improve the figures, but once those technologies are developed, they will quickly be made available to the market place. There is PROFIT to be made form new energy sources and the existing petroleum and energy companies are better positioned for providing distribution of those new technologies than anybody! They will be UP FRONT when they see an opportunity to make big money.

    Electric cars are good. The problem is batteries (energy storage).

    The first historical attempt to set a worlds land speed record was made in the 1870's with an electric car. It hit something like 80 miles per hour.

    Batteries were very poor and in those days I don't think you could recharge them. They were expensive, short on power and short on life. Disposable like today's cheap flashlight batteries only of poor quality. Thomas Edison invented the rechargable storage battery for use in submarines.

    Batteries are just now becoming something that borders on acceptable for use in automobiles.  

    The cars are ready now. Just get us the batteries AND the power generating capacity to charge all of them. (And figure out how to recycle the old/used ones. I don't want to send them to land-fills.)

    Better start building NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!

  4. gas out proforms ec by far but they are catching up

  5. Yes you're 100% correct, actually my car SRX Cadillac drive only on electric power but with a very special permission only. for test purpose only and from 6 PM to 6 AM on a sunday to monday in Europe, by 60 MPH = 786 miles range and at 140 MPH= 263 Miles. It's use not battery but ultra cells up to 1.2 megawatt of power.  see www.santanaeffect.com  the man is a total radical Einstein and was almost kill by the Gov.

  6. Same performance is possible. Same range is possible. Same price is possible. But a cheap, long-range, decent-performance electric car is hard to find - especially the cheap part.

    Some contenders: The ZAP-X, Obvio 828, Obvio 012, Zap Xebra @ http://www.zapworld.com/

    Tesla roadster: http://www.teslamotors.com/

    Also, I heard rumors that Tesla may bring to market a cheaper, sedan-sized car soon.

  7. Electric cars are much more efficient than petrol/diesel cars. Battery technology is fast catching up but there still isnt mass marketing of these cars. Possibly the gas companies are against such vehicles.

    EV's will be very popular in future and reduce gas emmisions considerably.

  8. No, no such car has ever existed, or is likely to exist in the near future.  If you disagree, please provide evidence of the existence of such a car.

  9. No - electric cars do not give the same performance as petrol, electric is much better unless they are significantly compromised by market & regulatory forces

    petrol strugles to come close to electric, hence first car to exceed 100mph was electric http://www.speedace.info/

    electric provides max torque from 0rpm from cold, hence the Tesla http://www.teslamotors.com does 0-60 in 4 secs, about the same as a ferrari costing 5 times as much, and it delivers that power in a smoother, more useable way. only 7 moving parts in the drive chain.

    (200 miles per charge, refuel at home or work. 20year battery life http://www.altairnano.com/markets.html)

    PS oil companies do own the patents to NiMH batteries as used in the now crushed GM EV1 http://ev1-club.power.net/; and they limit the size of battery that cn be produced, hence hybrids only have a 3 mile pure ev range and are not plug-in.

  10. They might for a short distance.  But battery technology has not come along far enough to make them be able to drive as far as a regular car.  Improvement has been made on how fast the batteries can be charged and how long the batteries will last.  However, after about 150,000 miles or so the batteries will have to be replaced.  And if you are driving an electric car that will cost a lot of money to have that many or that big of a battery replaced.  Electric/gas plug in hybrids have a better chance of being marketable compared to an all electric car.  If you have an all electric car and your car runs out of juice, there aren't really electric car fill up stations that can quickly recharge your car.  You're going to have to have it towed then taken home and recharge it for several hours.  However with a plug in electric/gas hybrid like GM is proposing with the Chevy Volt, the car would run on purely electricity for about the first 40 miles.  Most people drive less than 40 miles to and from work each day.  That would allow the car to be driven basically on electric power almost entirely for the average daily drive.  For longer trips the gas engine kicks in and recharges the car so the car can basically drive as far as a gas car and basically be refueled like a gas car for long vacation trips and stuff like that.

    The oil companies don't pay people off to not make cars.  The cars have to be marketable.  The electric cars that had come out earlier just had too many handicaps compared to a regular car for people to say "yes, I'll buy one" on a scale that would make them profitable.

    I don't think the US or any country will see completely electric cars become mainstream unless battery technology greatly improves.   Otherwise, hazardous waste disposal, recharging time, battery life, etc will all be problems to be overcome.  The next great push will be towards hydrogen cars after the biofuel and hybrid stages have happened.

    There is one great advantage to using electricity.  It does make the transfer of power much easier.  To increase gas efficiency on cars many portions of the car now run on electricity.  Power steering used to be done by hydraulic pumps.  Now pretty much all of the car manufacturer's use electronic steering.  There have been some complaints from people about the lack of resistance when they turn the wheel compared to when they drove a car with hydraulic steering.  Fan motors used to be belt driven.  Now most of them are ran on electric motors and only used to cool when necessary.  Then there is the invention of hub motors.  Hub motors are electric motors placed right at each wheel, eliminating the loss of energy that is typically lost transferring power from the engine out to the wheels through drive shafts, planetary gears, etc.  With hub motors the motor is at the wheel also allowing for possibly greater torque.  If hydrogen fuel cells become prevalent in cars, you may one day see hub motors in most every car.

  11. I'm afraid to tell you that there are electric cars that can perform better than petrol/diesel cars. It's just they are still in development. I was watching a show on the Discovery Channel one night. There was a proffessor form Berkley, CA that had invented a roadster that got 400 miles to a battery and was able to recharge the battery over night and would reach speeds of 150 mph.

  12. Check out the tesla sports car! Three hundred horses, built in the same image as the lotus exige. Ultra capacitors are the next quantum leap, along with emerging battery technologies. Hydrogen when directly electrolyzed into a gaseous state from water and hybridized also give the same performance. It's moving, trust me, I'm an engineer who is in the alt energy industry, it's finding a standard and an infrastructure that's holding us back not a vast oil conspiracy. Shell, BP and exxon all have alternative energy divisions and they are looking to tap into the potential returns of this emerging industry, with emerging being the key word. It's still more standard and cost effective to deal in petroleum and so they do. Look up shell and bp solar cells! This is why they consider themselves energy companies now and not simply oil companies.

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