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Do you believe people in the US govt had no involvement with the terror and crimes on September 11, 2001?

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Have you seen and heard proof on the contrary to the official accounting of acts and events surrounding the World Trade Center on 9/11/01? Any video, photographs, or recordings out there that got you thinking and ultimately made you question "official" accounts?

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  1. It happened. It was done by Islamic terrorists.  They said they did it.  We have proof they did it.   You're an idiot.


  2. It was a joint CIA/Mossad operation:

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveis...

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com

    The Bush administration needed an excuse to invade Afghanistan in order to lay down oil and gas pipelines:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1984...

  3. I did some research about this and the real truth is not pretty.I guess i found out a little too much so i just quit me research.I think i was getting to closes to some really nasty people in the us government.Just forget about the whole thing.

  4. I am always amused that the same people who think the government could not find its way out of a lighted room is capable of putting together a conspiracy that involves numerous federal/state/local agencies and tens of thousands of people and get it right and keep is secret.

  5. the reason you dont see the plane on the security videotape is that it records an image every 1/2 second, not in real time. The plane was travelling so fast that it passed the camera and hit the building, exploding in a much smaller amount of time. There are plenty of eyewitnesses that saw the plane coming in, and there were allsorts of pieces easily identifiable taken out from the wreckage.

    The US Govt. had nothing to do with any of the attacks, even Bin Laden took credit for the attacks as a show of dissaproval for some US policies. Like somebody else on here said, for the US to have committed this disgraceful act, too many people would have to have been involved in it to ever be able to keep it quiet, and these conspiracy theorists are a disgrace to America by trying to tar fellow Americans with the same brush as they do these psycho filthy muslims. Even most muslims are ashamed of what Al queda did in the name of Islam. Perhaps these theories are invented by ignorant people who cannot accept that America can suffer such an attrocity by the hands of an inferior entity. Get over it and accept it was what it was and now our fellow country men are sacrificing their lives to try and prevent it from happening again.

  6. After 9/11 I did a little research on this subject, looking at both points of view.

    I have spent alot of time especially looking at the Pentagon side of 9/11, and I find it hard to believe that a plane was involved. I have seen the available security tape, and have heard the eyewitness accounts.

    At the time, CNN reporters stated that they could see no evidence of a plane, and then the very next day recanted and said that there was plenty of evidence of a plane, I have to wonder why this is so.

    I am not disputing the fact that 9/11 was a very tragic event in American history, and the many human losses hit the country hard.

    But I don't believe all of the official stories.

  7. as an Australian .....i believe the US GOVERNMENT had nothing to do with the SHIITTE MULSIM cause...and am insulted as a human being that you question them.

    AL TAQIYAH is the shiite muslim media lies they use in the Western worlds (as they do in their own) to cause mistrust of your government and use their freedom in our countries to print it.

    Americans are good people...as are Australians...GOD BLESS YOU!!!

  8. "Loose Change", "Celsius 9/11", 911truth.org (as parodied in the "Mystery of the Urinal Deuce" episode of South Park, Alex Jones's "Terror Storm", etc. There are many sources of information available that do not propagate the "official" truth. I believe 911 was an inside job. At the very least some very shady things occurred that were not reported on by the main-stream media.

  9. Sounds like a conspiracy theory!

  10. I personally believe that the government had no involvment. To deny this is to deny rock solid scientific evidence, most of which I have read in various reports. They are extremely convincing. Also, use common sense. If the US Government were involved in the greatest fraud, or cover up, of all time, killing thousands and requiring the UNWAVERING SILENCE of the thousands involved, certaintly they would have shut down that college punk Paul Avery's little documentary. The capabilities of the US Government in intelligence can never be underestimated. For that reason, I believe that the government were not involved in 9/11. If they were, Paul Avery would be gone before he could open his mouth, let alone release "Loose Change".

  11. well i don't know about the government, but i know that Robert Hanssen, who worked for the FBI(also a convicted spy) sold a copy of a very important software to the Russians, who sold it over the black market to Osama bin Laden. and the software allowed bin Laden to evade detection by the USA, and allowed him to plan the terrorist attacks and move freely without being detected by the forces that were trying to catch him.

  12. I know what i have read and seen in interviews. I KNOW the ggovt had its fingers in it. Did  you see Bush reading to the 3rd graders then just sit there in shock when he was told what happened. Jesse ventura ( gov of MN) reacted before Bushy did.

  13. There is no conspiracy other than the conspiracy of terrorist who flew planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

  14. Revelation 11: 1-14.(14The second woe )

    " 1I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, "Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the worshipers there. 2But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. 3And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth." 4These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. 5If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. 6These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.

    7Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. 9For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.

    11But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.

    13At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

    14The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon."

    The building is similar to 2 lamps, 2 olive trees “because it shakes and is lighted up all nights and USA is the world Lord “as USSR was separate in the decade 90” (sentence 4)

    Attacks aiming this building before were not successful because it was not the fixed time limit. (5)

    Chemical weapons: dioxin… which USA army dropped down Vietnam during the time they participated in a war in Vietnam; They had rights in the ocean areas: blockaded the North Gulf in 1972… (6).

    The attack aiming two symbols is successful now. (7)

    Sodom: War Office : pentagon, presents the war system, and heinous crime of USA; Egypt: NewYork, presents the financial powerful nation. There are now deaths at these places. (8).

    The event occurring right in USA on September 9 is witnessed by the whole world through television satellite (Revelation 11:9)

    The peoples attacked by USA weapons in the past is very happy as Two Symbols of USA have been attacked.

    Maybe the double-tower will be rebuilt in 3,5 or 10 years. USA’s enemies will admire them (11,12), or Christian deaths will come to life again (Mat 24:39-41; Revelation 20: 4-6).

    The event on September 9 looks like the earthquake with 7000 deaths, account for one tenth of the total people in the WTC.

    Next disasters will come soon (14) those are (revelation 14:9; 19:17-21)

    The description in the prophecy book Revelation, Paragraph 18 sentence 1-24, as follows:

    "1After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. 2With a mighty voice he shouted:

    "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!

    She has become a home for demons

    and a haunt for every evil[a] spirit,

    a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird.

    3For all the nations have drunk

    the maddening wine of her adulteries.

    The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,

    and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries."

    4Then I heard another voice from heaven say:

    "Come out of her, my people,

    so that you will not share in her sins,

    so that you will not receive any of her plagues;

    5for her sins are piled up to heaven,

    and God has remembered her crimes.

    6Give back to her as she has given;

    pay her back double for what she has done.

    Mix her a double portion from her own cup.

    7Give her as much torture and grief

    as the glory and luxury she gave herself.

    In her heart she boasts,

    'I sit as queen; I am not a widow,

    and I will never mourn.'

    8Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:

    death, mourning and famine.

    She will be consumed by fire,

    for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.

    9"When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. 10Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry:

    " 'Woe! Woe, O great city,

    O Babylon, city of power!

    In one hour your doom has come!'

    11"The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes any more— 12cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and bodies and souls of men.

    14"They will say, 'The fruit you longed for is gone from you. All your riches and splendor have vanished, never to be recovered.' 15The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn 16and cry out:

    " 'Woe! Woe, O great city,

    dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet,

    and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls!

    17In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!'

    "Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off. 18When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, 'Was there ever a city like this great city?' 19They will throw dust on their heads, and with weeping and mourning cry out:

    " 'Woe! Woe, O great city,

    where all who had ships on the sea

    became rich through her wealth!

    In one hour she has been brought to ruin!

    20Rejoice over her, O heaven!

    Rejoice, saints and apostles and prophets!

    God has judged her for the way she treated you.' "

    21Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said:

    "With such violence

    the great city of Babylon will be thrown down,

    never to be found again.

    22The music of harpists and musicians, flute players and trumpeters,

    will never be heard in you again.

    No workman of any trade

    will ever be found in you again.

    The sound of a millstone

    will never be heard in you again.

    23The light of a lamp will never shine in you again.

    The voice of bridegroom and bride

    will never be heard in you again.

    Your merchants were the world's great men.

    By your magic spell all the nations were led astray.

    24In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints,

    and of all who have been killed on the earth."

    Great Babylon* have collapsed, collapsed.. (2)

    Merchants on land become rich thanks to it (3)

    Many people, in time, escaped when it collapsed (4)

    Invisible influence recalls the crime of USA. (5)

    USA spreading the deaths over other countries have tasted the defeat: in Vietnam War, American bombs and bullets have taken the life of 3 million people but the war has only deprived USA of 50.000 people. They are retaliated too much. 6000 deaths in 1 day is evaluated at the rate of 5 times.

    Exodus 22:1

    3.000.000 : 50.000 = 60

    6.000 : 20 terrorists = 300

    300 : 60 = 5

    The more USA was proud of its finance before, the more it meets difficulties now as well as laments because USA supposed itself as the powerful Lord. (7)

    Thus, the God has punished (8)

    Its Allies share the felling of sadness (9)

    However, they do not really want the share the damage, as its enormous wealth disappeared within one hour.

    Stock market investors have fallen into poverty (11-16)

    The filling of the building looks like a city beside the sea (17,18)

    Firemen had stinging eyes owing to dust (19)

    Everyone all over the world is very happy because the God behaves to USA fairly.

    The building has been completely collapsed. It can not be repaired and neither its activities. (21,22)

    The lights of the building no longer exist. The companies with headquarters are great ones. The nations with headquarters in the building believe its security. They are all shocked at this event. (23)

    Those died in the building were Christians and others do not have the same belief.

    The description in the book Revelation, Paragraph 11: 1-14, paragraph 18 is an event (Rev 14:8)

  15. Millions of people watched the second plane hit on live tv while watching news reports about the first plane.  I know I did.  Ten of thousands of people worked in the towers and had to flee for their lives.  Hundreds of New York fire fighters went in and did not get out in time.  It happened.  It happened to us.  The Al Quaeda murderers did it.  Not the government, not aliens, not anyone else.  It was Arab terrorists who highjacked 4 planes with store knives and flew three of them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.  That is what happened.  I saw them f***ing do it.  We all did.

  16. Do you?

    Decode this lyrics "Fire"

    Look in the real world.

    Revealation 16.12-14

    With seven times of extra ordinary power of destruction beyond the control of living human kind?

    Leviticus 26.13-24,30-41

    The reality and horrors of the nightmares being caught off guard.

    Luke 21.30-36

    "See I told you "

    John 7.19

    Who short-changed whom?

    Matt 22.32

    With self lack of knowledge.

    Luke 6.39-40,41-45,46-49

    What do you think?

  17. I believe that Sep 11 was a horror documentary managed by U.S. officials. Politic is a dirty game and many innocent people have to be killed in order to create the scenario in which a politician can prove himself/ herself as a national hero.

  18. Anyone who believes that idiotic theory must be a crack smokin buddy of Rosie O"Donnell.Get Real!

  19. Look, I am not entirely sure either way, but the people who make the case for 9/11 as an inside job have certainly raised many valid questions. The people arguing against 9/11 as an inside job generally are people who have left out established facts and/or are somehow tied to the Bush administration, which raises even more questions.

    Things that disturb me include the following:

    1.)There was a power down at the WTC in the week before 9/11, and there were numerous "workmen" "rewiring" various telecom wires, and from all accounts the building was wide open.  Security was nill, and the owner of the WTC security just happened to be Bush's brother.  People who worked at the WTC were uneasy about this as nothing like this had ever happened before at the WTC.

    2.) Fact, a jet fuel fire cannot but hot enough to melt steel.  This is a stone cold fact, and yet tons of melted steel was found, and the remains of the WTC continued to burn for weeks beneath the rubble at extreme temperatures.

    3.) Fact, pictures of steel girders jutting from the ruins show 45 degree angle cuts, melted cuts, exactly like the cuts used in a controlled demo0.  The edges clearly showed melted steel.  

    4.) Several hundred people who were in the WTC reported explosions throughout the building between the times of impact and collapse, including survivors of the basement explosions and those in the lobby where the windows were literally blow out.  Several reporters, police, and firefighters also reported these explosions, and reports of such are in the archived news reports.  

    5.) The building's design makes the total failure of both buildings impossible, as the remain floors supported by steel should have stood even if the upper floors collapsed, and the upper floors if they did fail, should have tipped over the side, so say the majority of engineers and physicists

    6.) Building 7, not heavily damaged, also miraculously collapsed. This Building was "pulled" (a term meaning a controlled demolition) by the orders of the owner, who happened to admit this on the infamous PBS special.  Since it takes days to set the charges, how were they able to "pull" the building unless it was already wired with thermite?

    7.) If we can't trust our governments to tell the truth, look at what many foreign nations' intelligence gathers and governments have said, most quietly and/or internally, but still you can find it.  Too many have concluded that aspects of our government had to know about or be involved with 9'11.  That's what even our allies have said, but you won't see that in our New Papers or on our TV.

    8.) How is it possible that some of the 19 people supposedly involved in the hijackings are actually alive and documented living in their native countries? How is it that some of the supposedly dead passengers are also still alive? You don't hear about that in our news either.  In fact, the wife of a government official is still to my knowledge living in Europe. She was confirmed dead (yep, DNA and everything, supposedly) but somehow magically she's not.

    9.) How can our military fail to intercept even just the plane headed to the Pentagon?  That level of incompetence is actually impossible, irregardless of the lies and explanations so far put forth.  We had fighter jets literally sitting on the runway just outside Washington, DC and we had plenty of notice that the plane was on the way. What is up with that nonsense?

    10.)There is more evidence that aspects of our government, who are documented as saying it would take "a new Pearl Harbor" to create their war on terror,  were in on the 9/11 conspiracy than there is evidence that JFK was murdered via conspiracy.

    I am a patriotic American who loves this nation. I believe with all my heart that there are valid questions to be asked and accounted for. The illegal removal of evidence from ground zero, the stonewalling of the Bush administration of an investigation, the linking of Iraq to 9/11, and the numerous volumes of evidence that was ignored leaves me to believe that someone, and most likely a large and powerful segment of out government, MAY have been involved in the planning and implementation of the 9/11 attacks.  I say MAY.  If not, then why not allow these questions to be independently investigated?  

    Will we ever know the truth? Probably not.  This will just fester as the JFK conspiracy has. I just hope that the rumor of a yet to be named foreign government which has a collection of 9/11 physical evidence is true.  After all, the story of what happened to the remains of the builds is a fascinating story in itself.

    Just be open to the possibility that something is amiss. Avoid the right and the left, and make your own decisions.

    As a middle of the road, centrist politically, the extremists tend to confuse the issues.

  20. Just because official accounts doesn't add up doesn't mean gov is automatically implicated in it. The question is why is it that people assume US gov is involved just because things don't appear to add up. What about Iran, North Korea...etc??? if it isn't al quida in planes. And why only question the gov? Why not question those who question the gov? What makes these other group so special that whenever they claim evidence against gov people believe them without asking tough and at times simple questions? Events like 911 include so much information, so much confusion it is easier than eating cheesecake to find lots of contradictions and oddities.

  21. The key to your question is the fact that you asked if the U.S. government had "no involvement" in the 9-11 tragedy.  Most people seem to jump to the polar opposite sides in this debate.  Either you believe the government planned and committed the assault, or you think that everyone of that opinion is a crackpot and believe the government's explanations about what happened that day.

    I think the answer is somewhere in between.

    I find it difficult to believe that the U.S. government would plan an attack of that magnitude on its own people because there's far too much to lose.  There's no doubt that there'd be a full-scale revolution by the people if the government was proven to be the masterminds of the event.  In fact, you probably wouldn't even have to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.  If enough evidence came out to make it look very likely, there'd be a very serious problem in the U.S..

    Having said that, there are too many questions that have not been answered by the government - or the answers that they've provided are very weak and unbelievable.  What makes matters worse is that the government has been attacking those who ask questions, linking all doubters to terrorist sympathizers.  That kind of attack on free speech is dangerous and should never be trusted.

    I've always had a funny feeling that the 9-11 attacks are a combination of terrorist hatred for the U.S. and corruption by the Bush administration.  I think that the terrorists hijacked planes and intended to hit the World Trade Center.  I also believe that the government knew that the attack was coming, but did nothing about it.  The attack gave the U.S. an excuse to expand its military and political activities in the middle east.

  22. I sat in my home and watched that second plane fly into the World Trade Center.  I watched as the buildings tilted and finally came down.  I watched as those thousands died.  I do not for one minute believe that the US government had any part of that disaster.  I believe it was Al Queda operatives, terrorists, who not only took part on September 11 but who planned the whole thing.  I also believe that Osama Bin Ladin was the money behind the operation.

  23. yeah I kind of believe that this is silly....what bothers me more is that it appears to me that the Republicans have NO interest in catching Osama. They want him running free because as long as that occurs they will win elections.

  24. stone cold is right the 'plane ' at the pentagon blew up before it hit the building, and the staff were given the day off, sounds funny to me,

  25. This is the most ridiculous conspiracy theory ever. Only the uneducated / ignorant believe this.

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