Do you ever notice the blatant discrepancies?

Question

The questions and answers on here from the anti-adoption zealots, don't they just blow your mind with their wit?

For example, someone asks a question about looking into adoption. They get told (by the above mentioned zealot) that they should just accept God's will to remain childless. Huh?

They do, however, refuse to accept that that same will of the same God has placed a child into a family. Huh?

Anyone else notice this?

Answer 1

Everyone's belief in God got me into this adoption mess.

I believe God is very upset with what happened to me.

If God could have, he would have left me with my real mother.

He cries tears for me.

Answer 2

I'm pretty sure I NEVER told anyone that they should "accept God's will to remain childless".  But nice try.  It's NOT God's will for us to be separated from our parents.  If you find this so hard to understand I feel very sorry for "your"  children.  Apparently we have made you feel uncomfortable so you find the need to attack us.  I'm sorry that you made the wrong choice and now your kids will end up messed up like us.  But being mean to us isn't going to change the fact that adoption ruins lives.

Anti-adoption zealot? Hardly.  Lady, this is the Internet I think you might need to back away for a while lol.

Answer 3

Boy some of you folks have really gotten vindictive on your attacks on folks.  

I don't see where we have attacked your infertility.  It seems like you are getting nastier and nastier with the comments.  God has nothing to do with adoption.  If he did, we would not be fighting these battles with you.  It would be a fair and just system.  

All most of us are doing are pointing out are the very fallacies and myths of adoption.  They are myths.  God didn't place me with my parents.  The adoption agency did.  They profitted big time.  My natural mother paid big bucks, my adoptive parents paid big bucks, and I as the adoptee have paid big bucks.  There is just too many things wrong with the system to allow it to go forth.  We as a group must stop the unethical behaviors of adoption agencies and attorneys.  Its time to take back control over a system that affects our lives.

Answer 4

tell them that if god wants you childless, something will happen to prevent the adoption. if you get the kid, then logically, god must have wanted you to.

to really s***w with them, tell them that what they say and do doesn't matter, because god has already predetermined everything that will ever happen and nothing they can do will change things (note: i don't believe that. i just like messing with way-too-religious people who do)

Answer 5

eh, thats ones opinion.  dont let it twist your undies.

Answer 6

Personally, I don't think god has much to do with fertility/infertility or mother/child separation. Adoption is a construct of the societies we live in. Different societies deal with natural family preservation (versus adoption) differently.

I think you're looking for a different category here, it's under "religion". Maybe that's where this question belongs? You might get better feed back over there, or at least feed back that you are willing to listen to.

Answer 7

um, God didn't place me in my adoptive family....

a lawyer got paid $10K for his efforts, he gave my mom the choice of choosing the wealthy couple or the ones with horses.

Isn't it interesting how many people are experts on God's will when it is conveinient with their wishes?

RESPONSE -  uh NO my mom was infertile, that's why they bought me.

Oh wait, you meant my real mom, my dad got her pregnant. I'm not a virgin birth

Answer 8

Discrepancies?

No, not at all.  Adoption is good.  Adoptees are lucky.  Adoptive parents are saints.  All adopted kids have LOVING, happy lives. God loves adoption.  

I'm sorry, is this your Kool-Aid I was drinking?

Answer 9

hmmmmmm, you seem to be trying very hard...I like your use of the word zealot, it reminds me of me ;).

I don't claim to know God's will, but I hope you work through some of that anger if you decide to adopt.  It would be hard on a child to deal with an adoptive mom who was angry about being infertile.

It sucks for the kid to be the consolation prize when amom really wanted her own baby.  I know aparents don't often realize this until the kid is 12 or so, but handing a kid your difficulities with infertility is a lot to deal with, we didn't cause your infertility and ulitimately you will find we can't cure it either.

P.S. we aren't really that witty, your mind must just blow easily, maybe it is the crowd you have been hanging around.

<3  <3   <3   <3   <---------those are hearts, hope you feel better soon!

Yoo Hoo:  I am trying to follow your argument but the ellipses in place of complete sentences weakens it greatly.

Noodles:  If you are being stalked and terrorized, I suggest you call homeland security, and your local police dept. as soon as possible, it is important to be resourceful and responsible.

If you are referring to people here who have differing opinions than you I hope that you realize that this is a public board that you are voluntarily a part of, again the personal responsiblity is key, esp. if you are a PAP or AP.  You want to be able to model adult behavior for your children, good luck with that.

Answer 10

Those aren't discrepancies if the answerer is either being fecetious or simply trying to meet the person where they're at (within their own belief system).

For example... I don't personally believe in God. However, I can imagine myself saying to a Christian who was coming to me for mental health counseling and needed some cognitive reframing coping skills, "Have you ever considered that it's God's will for __________"? That's an example of meeting a person where they are at, working with them within their own belief system.

Or, it could have been said sarcastically, as humor.... as in, many people are claiming it's God's will for adoptions to happen, that they see signs that they are supposed to adopt... so the responder could have been pointing out, through the use of sarcasm/being fecetious, that there are other ways to interpret "signs" for life direction.

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But anyway, I suspect you already realize all this. (If not, please go to school and take a logic course, okay?) I suspect this was just a rant, and not a real question.

But in case not, in case you were really a little dim and didn't see all this, there it is, your logic and rhetoric 101 lesson. Free of charge.

Answer 11

Ummmm... I neither accept that any deity would sentence a child to grow up in a Stranger Family, nor that such a deity would take a child from it's Natural Mother, nor that any such deity would have anything to do with the reasons that mother and child were separated.  

Even in extreme cases, was it that deity's "will" that the parents abused the child?  Was it that deity's "will" that the mother became addicted to drugs ... all so you could give that deity's "will" credit for providing the spackle for the perceived cracks in your (or someone else's) family?

I wonder, WeeMe (curiously similar name to YoooHoo)... if you think that ANY of the characters in your holy text should have refused to accept that same deity's "will" with regard to ANYTHING that happened to them?  You might want to review your holy text (not that I subscribe to it) regarding childless women.

Answer 12

I think You will find that the 'God's Will' folks are some of the most hypocritical people you will ever deal with. They are generally the most situation-ally ethical people you will find.

Answer 13

Please provide a link to the anti-adoption zealots' comments so I can get blown away by their wit too and then answer your question.  Or maybe you are generalizing?  Am very confused.

Answer 14

he who preaches god, should look in the mirror. If someone is going to tell me "GOD" had something to do with my adoption, i'm going to tell them "GOD" had something to do with their infertility. Because both are out of the hands of us, and terribly painful. Maybe then the "god preacher" will eat his words and see how stupid it is to justify adopting (and violating that child in the process of adoption because thats what happens )and using the excuse of God leading them to do it. Don't tell me that "god" wanted me to live in the pain of trauma of losing my mother for the benefit of some foreign infertile couple. Thats the most selfish projection of self entitlement I've ever heard, and I hear paps say it all the time. I'm not here for the "benefit" of ANY human being except my children, i am here to serve and assist them in life so that they can be everything they are here to be. To assist their strengths, give them a place of constant validation, unconditional love and support. Not ever expect them to fill my "idea" of what they should be or any expectation of them being here for my personal enjoyment, dreams come true or self serving purpose.

I always dreamed I'd be a millionaire at this point in my life....and I just KNOW God intended for me to be one also.... any day now I guess it'll just come along...