Do you know about the Global Warming petition, signed by....

Question

over 31,000 American scientist....9000 of which are PhDs?

These 31,000 (thirty one thousand!!!) American scientist state global warming is NOT, I repete, NOT happening.

I'd like to hear comments from people on this. I want to hear from BOTH sides of the argument.

By the way, here's the link to the petition, and the names of all those scientists:

http://www.oism.org/pproject/

Answer 1

Well I didn't need a phd to tell me what is and what isn't going on.That is great thing about learning you don't have to pigeon hole your mind into one discipline or the other.

Many supposed scholars thought the world was flat and the sun revolved around the earth. Very few believed what I know to be true today,  so the consensus can be wrong and clearly I believe they have been. AGW is a mean of control, to coral the populace into a single mind to achieve power over all resources and wealth.  

Answer 2

Typical alarmist twist, it is listed as Michael R. Fox, not Michael J. Fox, who is Biologist, Perry Mason is a Statistics specialist, there is no John C Grisham or Dr. Halliwell on the list.  This is a typical tactic by the alarmists, they even publish lists on sites showing the ficticious names to discredit the list.  Shows how desperate they are.  

You will notice that people who have weak arguments attack the credibility of the person, not the argument.  Why?  Because they cannot refute the data.

I noticed the other day I could "google" the phrase "5 degree climate shift in as little as a decade" and find the peer-reviewed publication of a scientist who has records of many of these types of climate shifts.  Now I cannot.  We know what side of this debate Google is on.

"In the past, the planet's climate has changed 10 degrees in as little as 10 years. That may not sound like much. But the last time the planet was 10 degrees colder, it was still in an ice age. "There's the very real potential of the climate system changing dramatically and rapidly" in ways that lie outside modern human experience, says Mark Eakin, who heads the paleoclimatology program of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)."

Here is a link to NOAA and NCDC and their report of climate shifts.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/ctl/abrup...

Answer 3

God help them if they work at universities because in short order they'll either be fired or burned at the stake.

Answer 4

Well, my first question is this.  If 9000 have PhDs, who are the rest?  Graduates from a 4-year college?  I have a bachelor's science degree from a 4-year college too.  So do hundreds of thousands of other 21-year-olds.  

Petitions mean nothing.  The scientific literature, which is peer-reviewed and published by reputable journals, is the only authoritative source of information.  If these "scientists" are correct, why don't they get their work published in a good journal where it can be scrutinized by qualified editors?

Answer 5

hi

Answer 6

As (Dana), said education is not relative? So maybe a climatologist will be broadcasting the weather on the four o'clock news. Or doing lectures on raindrops. I'm sorry but I don't see his connection with education and age. Shows a bias if nothing else. Never in my life time would I expect an 'alarmist'(Bob) to use the word hoax... So I'm  learning about mindsets and not GW. As Artie would say; "very interesting."

Answer 7

Yeah I think pretty much everyone has heard of the Oregon Petition.

1) The 31,000 signers are not all scientists.  Anyone with a bachelor's degree or better could sign.  Thus you could have a guy who got a degree in botany 40 years ago and then became a gardener sign the petition.

And really, who cares what a dentist thinks about global warming?  What's the point of this petition?

2) Those 31,000 represent less than 1% of the population with science degrees.

3) The petition does not say global warming isn't happening.  It says we're not sure humans are causing it.  Big difference.

For further details, see the 'Lists of Skeptical Scientists' section in the link below.

Answer 8

In the first place petition on line are not acceptable.

in spite of this how do we verify that those who signed the petition are actually who they say that they are?

put that together with the reports from NOAA, and NASA, you have to wonder about scientist who still an deny Global warming.

Answer 9

not this again.

here is a link to the wiki on it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_peti...

and to a small sample taken from of those 31000

http://web.archive.org/web/2006082312502...

Answer 10

Sure.  It's a well known hoax.  It originally tried to fake being a letter from the National Academy of Sciences (the author has admitted that), which issued a press release denying it had anything to do with it.

It's just a list of names, no affiliations.  Attempts to verify it have proved fruitless.  Some of the names are rock stars, celebrities, etc.

"After the petition appeared, the National Academy of Sciences said in news release that "The NAS Council would like to make it clear that this petition has nothing to do with the National Academy of Sciences and that the manuscript was not published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences or in any other peer-reviewed journal."

"The petition does not reflect the conclusions of expert reports of the Academy." The NAS further noted that its own prior published study had shown that "even given the considerable uncertainties in our knowledge of the relevant phenomena, greenhouse warming poses a potential threat sufficient to merit prompt responses. Investment in mitigation measures acts as insurance protection against the great uncertainties and the possibility of dramatic surprises."[

Answer 11

duh..its all bunk created by the libs and media working hand in hand to scare people...many including gore have vested interest in these green companies..wake up peeps and find out for yourself dont believe all that u read.

Answer 12

Yes, that's quite a number, and can't be ingnored as the alarmists are doing.  It's a much better number than the 100 or so politically-controlled agents that propel the IPCC and NASA studies.

Answer 13

Like Gengi said: "Not this again!"

Answer 14

Scientist who go against the popular dogma are discounted, attacked, and kicked out of scientific organizations.  This is why the believers say that almost all scientists believe "global warming" is real.

Science does not care how many "believe", just what the facts are, and the fact is that no one can predict the future.  

Answer 15

I suggest you do some random searches on these "scientists" none of the ones I have tried this with have impressed me as experts in the field. A lot have vested interests, a large number follow cult religious beliefs.

Many seem to be aged senior citizens in their 80's and 90's, one who did seem to have the scientific qualification Philip H. Abelson, PhD died in 2004.

Then if you look at the petition carefully there is "Perry S. Mason" (the fictitious lawyer?), "Michael J. Fox" (the actor?), "Robert C. Byrd" (the senator?), "John C. Grisham" (the lawyer-author?). And then there's the Spice Girl, a k a. Geraldine Halliwell: The petition listed "Dr. Geri Halliwell" and "Dr. Halliwell."

In 2005, Scientific American reported:

“ Scientific American took a sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science. Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still agreed with the petition —- one was an active climate researcher, two others had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal evaluation. Six said they would not sign the petition today, three did not remember any such petition, one had died, and five did not answer repeated messages.

In a 2005 op-ed in the Hawaii Reporter, Todd Shelly wrote:

“ In less than 10 minutes of casual scanning, I found duplicate names (Did two Joe R. Eaglemans and two David Tompkins sign the petition, or were some individuals counted twice?), single names without even an initial (Biolchini), corporate names (Graybeal & Sayre, Inc. How does a business sign a petition?), and an apparently phony single name (Redwine, Ph.D.). These examples underscore a major weakness of the list: there is no way to check the authenticity of the names. Names are given, but no identifying information (e.g., institutional affiliation) is provided. Why the lack of transparency?

This petition is bogus and unfortunately is constantly being dug up by those who are unwilling to accept the truth about global warming.

Answer 16

Yes--it's a fake . There is no real petition. And no real scientists signed it.

Answer 17

I believe that global warming is happen to an extant. However the only cause for it to be happening is the greenhouse effect and and its been happen for thousand of years so why is it a big deal now?^^

Answer 18

Global warming iisn't happening? Who told yu that lie?