Do you know anything about the 'Submitters'?

Question

Alhamdulilah, we have exposed the truth about Ahmadism.I think its time for us to expose the Submitters.

who are submitters?

1. The Submitters are followers of an Egyptian man, Rashad Khalifa, who claimed to be a Prophet (Messenger of Allah)

2.The Submitters reject the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (saws)- not part of it, but the whole of it. For the Submitters, the Sunnah is not a source of Islam.

3.The Submitters claim that after the Quran was written, Devil added two verses in the Quran, which was not there. They have removed these two verses from their Quran.

Is there any submitters here in this section?

Yes,there are. ( Shah,Mohammad K...)

How do they mislead people?

By offering them the misinterpreted Quran written by Rashad Khalafah.. etc.

An example: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Au6LHJGG9.XQbIPiejqFeynsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20080731104829AATT9b4&show=7#profile-info-AZYVbupQaa

So anyways, my question is, are you guys careful enough to learn Islam from a public forum like Y!A where many non-muslims ( i.e Ahmadis,Submitters etc) always hanging out together hiding their true identity?

Answer 1

Yes. If I wanted to know more, I wouldn't trust an internet forum where people love to slander those who disagree with their views.

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What you said is similar to the Christian claim that Muslims worship a moon god and they want to kill all non Muslims.

Answer 2

Yes we know them and other Deviant sects

but lets hope and believe in peace

Between Islam and other deviant sects like Shias , Sufis Ahmadis ,Khwarjis and Submitters

A Muslim who loves all in Humanity they have their religion and we have Our..

Answer 3

The unanimous agreement of the people of Islaam is that those who reject the Sunnah are Kuffaar, outside the fold of Islaam.

From the book: "إلى فهم السلفية" (Towards understanding Salafiyyah)

A group of heretical minded people arose in recent times in order to cut the people away from the way of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم). This group is known as the “Quraaniyoon” or “Quraanites” and they claim to follow the Qur’aan and they abandon the Sunnah with the claim that it was a “heretical addition” to Islaam. However they are nothing but a group of people who follow their desires as Allaah orders the Muslims to follow the Sunnah but these people cover those verses up with doubts and their interpretations.

One can refer to the many books written on the topic, the most comprehensive being the book of Shaykh Muhammad Naasir-ud-deen al-Albaanee (رحمه الله) which has been translated to: “The authority of the Sunnah”.

The proof that the Sunnah is from the legislation is the statement of Allaah:

مَّنْ يُطِعِ الرَّسُولَ فَقَدْ أَطَاعَ اللّهَ وَمَن تَوَلَّى فَمَا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ عَلَيْهِمْ حَفِيظًا

((He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allaah; but if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds).)) (Surah an-Nisaa: 80)

Ibn Katheer said in the Tafseer of this Ayah:

يخبر تعالى عن عبده ورسوله محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم بأن من أطاعه فقد أطاع الله ومن عصاه فقد عصى الله وما ذاك إلا لأنه ما ينطق عن الهوى إن هو إلا وحي يوحى

((Allaah states that whoever obeys His servant and Messenger, Muhammad , obeys Allaah; and whoever disobeys him, disobeys Allaah. Verily, whatever the Messenger utters is not of his own desire, but a revelation inspired to him.))

And from the Sunnah:

The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said that there will be a group of people, who will say,

ما وجدنا فيه حراما حرمناه ألا وإني أتيت القرآن ومثله معه

((What is found in the Book of Allaah as Haraam we pronounce it Haraam, Surely I am given the Quraan and something like it.)) (Imaam al-Albaanee recorded this from at-Tirmidhee in "Manzilat asSunnah fil Islaam", 17)

Amongst many ahaadeeth that prove this, this hadeeth clearly states that the Qur'aan and Sunnah are equal in their legislation. So the one who denies this and says: "The Qur'aan comes before the Sunnah" is one who has erred in his statement and placed a lie upon the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) and has rejected this Hadeeth.

Allaah says:

وَمَا آتَاكُمُ الرَّسُلُ فَخُذُوهُ وَمَا نَهَاكُمْ عَنْهُ فَانتَهُوا

((And whatever the Messenger gives you, then take it and whatever he forbids you from then Abstain (from it)) (Surah al-Hashr: 7)

O Noble Reader, May Allaah have protect you, we must be careful in our statements concerning the Sunnah of our beloved Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم). Allaah out of His Mercy has sent to mankind Messengers and revealed to them books so that mankind may be guided to that which He (Allaah) loves and is pleased with. It is in mankind's, and in particular the Muslims, best interest to concern themselves with that which Allaah has revealed, following its guidance and adorning their lives with its teachings. The Qur'aan and Sunnah have been revealed to us from our Lord, the Most High, as the Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم) has informed us in his statement,

وإني أتيت القرآن ومثله معه

((Surely I am given the Quraan and something like it.)) (Collected by at-Tirmidhee)

O Noble Reader, may Allaah bless us and you to be from those who follow that which has been revealed and implement His, The Most High's, command in His statement:

اتَّبِعُوا مَا أُنْزِلَ إِلَيْكُمْ مِنْ رَبِّكُمْ وَلَا تَتَّبِعُوا مِنْ دُونِهِ أَوْلِيَاءَ قَلِيلًا مَا تَذَكَّرُونَ

(((Say to them O Muhammad) Follow what has been sent down unto

you from your Lord (the Qur'aan and the Sunnah), and follow not any Awliyaa (protectors and helpers, etc. who order you to associate partners in worship with Allaah), besides Him (Allaah). Little do you remember!)) (Surah Al-A'raaf: 3)

So now that we've established that the Qur'aan and Sunnah are the legislations in Islaam, let's look at our methodology concerning them:

Allaah says:

اتَّبِعُوا مَا أُنْزِلَ إِلَيْكُمْ مِنْ رَبِّكُمْ وَلَا تَتَّبِعُوا مِنْ دُونِهِ أَوْلِيَاءَ قَلِيلًا مَا تَذَكَّرُونَ

(((Say to them O Muhammad) Follow what has been sent down unto

you from your Lord (the Qur'aan and the Sunnah), and follow not any Awliyaa (protectors and helpers, etc. who order you to associate partners in worship with Allaah), besides Him (Allaah). Little do you remember!)) (Surah Al-A'raaf: 3)

And Allaah says:

وَإِذَا دُعُوا إِلَى اللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ لِيَحْكُمَ بَيْنَهُمْ إِذَا فَرِيقٌ مِّنْهُم مُّعْرِضُونَ

((When they are summoned to Allaah and His Messenger, in order that He may judge between them, behold, some of them decline (to come).)) (Surah an-Noor: 48)

The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said,

ألا هل عسى رجل يبلغه الحديث عني, و هو متكئ على أريكته فيقول بيننا و بينكم كتاب الله, فما وجدناه من حلال استحللناه و ما وجدنا فيه حراما حرمناه, و إن ما حرم رسول الله كما حرم الله

((There will be a man to whom my hadeeth will reach him, while he is sitting comfortably, and he will say between me and you is the book of Allaah, whatever we find in it that is halaal we will make it halaal, and whatever we find in it haraam we will make it haraam. Then the Prophet says: whatever the messenger of Allaah has made haraam is as if Allaah has made it haraam.)) (Sunan at-Tirmidhee 5/38)

The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) also said,

كل أمتي يدخلون الجنة إلا من أبى, قالوا: يا رسول الله و من أبى؟ قال: من أطاعني دخل الجنة و من عصاني فقد أبى

((All of my Ummah will enter heaven except those who refuse (or reject), so they asked him: oh messenger of Allaah, who is the one who refuses? The Prophet said: whoever obeys me will enter heaven and whoever obeys me he has refused.)) (Saheeh al-Bukhaaree, 7280)

The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) also said,

دعوني ما تركتكم فإنما أهلك من كان قبلكم سؤالهم و اختلافهم على أنبيائهم, فإذا نهيتكم عن شيء فاجتنبوه, و إذا أمرتكم بشيء فأتوا منه ما استطعتم

((Do not ask me about what I didn't mention, because what has caused the destruction of the previous nations was their questioning and disagreement with their Prophets. If I forbid you from doing something, avoid it, and if I order you to do something do as much of it as you possibly can.)) (Saheeh al-Bukhaaree, 7288)

Allaah says:

وَمَا آتَاكُمُ الرَّسُلُ فَخُذُوهُ وَمَا نَهَاكُمْ عَنْهُ فَانتَهُوا

((And whatever the Messenger gives you, then take it and whatever he forbids you from then Abstain (from it)) (Surah al-Hashr: 7)

Thus dear reader, as illustrated in these aforementioned verses and ahaadeeth, it is obligatory upon us to follow that which Allaah has revealed to us from the Qur’aan and Sunnah. This is a reality that no Muslim can deny. Allaah sent his Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم) to us in order that he may explain to us that whichwas revealed to him. Allaah says,

وَأَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الذِّكْرَ لِتُبَيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ مَا نُزِّلَ إِلَيْهِمْ

((And We have also sent down unto you (O Muhammad) the reminder

and the advice (the Qur'aan), that you may explain clearly to men what is

sent down to them.)) (Soorah An Nahl: 44)

And:

هُوَ الَّذِي بَعَثَ فِي الْأُمِّيِّينَ رَسُولًا مِنْهُمْ يَتْلُو عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتِهِ وَيُزَكِّيهِمْ وَيُعَلِّمُهُمُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَإِنْ كَانُوا مِنْ قَبْلُ لَفِي ضَلَالٍ مُبِينٍ

((He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger (Muhammad) from among themselves, reciting to them His Verses, purifying them (from the filth of disbelief and polytheism), and teaching them the Book (this Qur'aan, Islaamic laws and Islaamic jurisprudence) and Al Hikmah (As-Sunnah: legal ways, orders, acts of worship, etc. of Prophet Muhammad). And verily, they had been before in manifest error.)) (Surah al- Jumu’ah: 2)

Shaikh Ahmad An-Najmee (may Allah preserve him) said in his explanation of

Sharhus Sunnah,

فكتاب القرآن، والحكمة هي سنة الرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم

((Thus the Book is the Qur’aan, and the Wisdom (Al Hikmah) is the Sunnah of the Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم)))

(See www.athaar.org and www.salafyink.com for the first 2 chapters free)

Answer 4

I havn't seen what you have seen but I have seen some funny business I will not speak about. Yes you are right ramadaners should never take anything on this site for face value.

Some things are ok after researching but somethings make my eyes pop out. EDIT: and that goes for everything that man has attributed to religion. Nothing is perfect except Quran. Why do people deny this. It is in the Quran. I don't need to be apart of some group to identify with that. I am Muslim by human nature. By Allah.

Answer 5

Excellent point. The safest thing is that after you have learned something new here on YA or anywhere, check with a Sheikh who is knowledgable in Islam.

Just remember, people: What is said here on the Ramadan Section is not a legal fatwa.

May Allah guide and bless us all.

Answer 6

sure we care, the most dangerous thing comes from a problem in the Aqidah (belief), jazakallh brother for you awareness.

Answer 7

Hahahaha,

Sorry and no sorry if it bothers you. I am MOST CERTAINLY a PROUD and FIRM REJECTOR of ALL Hadith and Sunnat !!!!!

No regrets !

Answer 8

What's with this claim that Ahmadi Muslims hide their identity?  Brother, can you cite a single example where any Ahmadi Muslim has done so?

Also, I happen to know brother Shah, and he has never once hid his belief as a Submitter.  He's always been honest about it.  Why would he hide it?

May Allah bless all Muslims.

love for all, hatred for none

Answer 9

JazakAllah

Yes i agree with you ,we should educate our BRO/SIS .

I do not know about submitters

Ithink there r few key things which we should keep in mind

If some one talks ill about Hadith,we should know this is some fitnah

u will notice all deviated sects reject hadith